Forge World Dark Eldar any of them worth using in a 2500 list?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Dark_Eldar/DARK_ELDAR_REAPER.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Dark_Eldar/DARK-ELDAR-RAVEN-FIGHTER.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Eldar/VOID-DRAGON-PHOENIX.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Dark_Eldar/DARK-ELDAR-TANTALUS.html

While they look really cool and such i wonder is any of them worth their points in a regular 2500 point fight (i think that´s what W40k still runs with though i could be wrong) or do you need to go into an actually apocalypse fight before any of them starts to have a chance of earning their point cost?

Never used any of them, but I think that the reaper got a bit of a boost this edition. I'd probably leave the tantalus to bigger games though.

I have a question : what are those things ? It's not in my codex and I've never seen it anywhere but some pics on internet, is that some models that could eventually be released in the future ?

Fruz wrote:

I have a question : what are those things ? It's not in my codex and I've never seen it anywhere but some pics on internet, is that some models that could eventually be released in the future ?

They are models produced by Forge World and (last i checked) Forge World is also making the rules for the miniatures.

they all already have rules in various FW books. Also 40k is normally played at 2k (but it all depends on your area)

Currently this is how I see each working in 40k games:

Reaper- still suffers from 1 gun syndrome, but got a huge boost with its multiple blast haywire. The single large blast is intersting, but unless you have a large amount of vehicles with 1 HP left, just stick to the multiple small blasts. Its decent now, where before it was barely playable

Raven is are expert dogfighter (with vector dancer and everything) still think the two in our book are better overall, but it really isnt that bad of a choice. Should really be a fast attack slot

I really have no oppinion of the VDP... personally I think our Void Raven is better

Tantalus is an interesting choice now considering the need of AP2 weapons. That being said its still very pricey, but if used right, I think it can do well.

Also I really wouldnt look at any of these choices short of the Reaper at any point value above 1750.

Did you mean below 1750?

lol yah, typo galore. below 1750

Just had visions of a 1750pt force with a tantalus, reaper and void dragon, eek!

I can't comment on either the Tantalus or the Void Dragon. But Shadows is essentially correct about the Reaper. It is a nice weapons platform, but the single weapon is quite limiting and once your opponent gets a taste of what it can do, it tends to die quickish.

I'm not very convinced about the Raven as a dogfighter. It has a 10-shot poisoned weapon, but that's useless against vehicles and other flyers. It also has one, twin-linked DL with an AA mount, but for slightly fewer points, a Dakkajet will give you nine Str 6 shots at -1 BS and -6" range. I know which one I would prefer.

If the Raven had the option to swap out the DL for a Dissie, I would be a lot happier. Happier still if it could take two Dissies.

I haven't seen the new FW Aeronautica book yet, it should be in the mail soon, but I haven't heard of any change to the Raven's weaponry. Perhaps if GW ever replaces the old FW model with a shiny new plastic one and gives it a WD update, but as it stands I probably wouldn't take one.

It does seem a little bizarre that they've given a dogfighter a weapon that can't hurt other vehicles.

Isn't the Raven a holdover from when splinter weapons used to have Str (like shuriken weapons)? I know I remember looking at them when I was trying to find something to use as a proxy for a VRB when the codex first released...

Anyway, the Raven is overpriced for what it does. We have better heavy options overall and for cheaper. Most armies don't need more anti-infantry, that role is filled rather well by venoms, what they need is more anti-tank, which the Raven doesn't do. If it had strafing run (+1 BS, so hitting on a 2+) and either 2+ or 3+ poison, that would make it worth taking, but right now, its kind of garbage. An interesting thing to note though is the fact that it has our only twin-linked weapon.

except for the talos...