VS Terminators only

So, I've got one of the pro players here in my country that plays at my local GW every once in a while.

He plays full on DA termies. The only time I defeated him was with reavers (12 of them) and 1 razorwing + 1 voidraven.
That's the only units that helped me kill him.

But what armies/units/rockets/things can kill them easily?

I won the game by playing the objectives...but if it would have been a kill point game I'd have lost by 1, possibly 2.

So how would you fight it?

the answer is pretty simple: disintegrators, blasterborn, zlinger squad
an all termy army means he's very very slow. If the termies arent troops, kill the troops and evade untill endgame. If they are troops - GK - then focus fire on them, take VRB with implo missiles, unless hammernators, spam venoms for a payload of dicerolls, and focus, focus, focus!

3 triple disintegrator ravagers
venoms with warriors/blaster
raiders with dissies and splinter racks.


game over, you win.

I play against a few all termie DA army. They all roll "1's" sooner or later!

ow, and lure them to your board edge, and then zoom up to their bord edge...or anywhere: they cant cover the whole table 72"*48" is very large for that, and the lower the points, the less field he can cover.

Sounds good then ^^

Do not enter close combat unless it is to sacrifce small Wych squads to tie up the Terminators so you can deal with vehicles such as Plasma Cannon wielding Venerable Dreads. This limits the DW firing meaning that you have more weapons to fire upon them later.

Disintegrater Cannons are definately the way to go. Essentially you want to out shoot them and use your speed to stay out of range.

When facing DW I target a single squad at a time with as much firepower as I can. If they have six squads of Deathwing then they have six scoring units. That allows you to knock one out per turn, unless they do the 'Inner Circle' tactic from Decent of Angels, which can be nasty. I only know one player that does that, though, and sharing his secret tactics could make him mand.

9 venoms will kill anything with boots on

Night shields reduce the shots coming back at you

Works for all comers as well

Shoot shoot shoot win

@Venkh: mathematically 9 venoms w d.cannons kill 6 a turn. Depending on how your dice gods favor you, this could be less, but drastically more.
my lancenator XD tac: 3 dissi rav, dissi raiders w wyches and 'nades, blasterborn in dissi raiders.
879 pts for the ravs and born in raider, all vehicles with NS. At one target, thats preferably 48 ap2 shots, so even if the target is hammernators, mathematically thats 7.11 unsaved.
the venoms, if they only had 3 wracks in them would cost 850, so for an extra 29 pts, you have a greater chance of killing...ofc with shorter range cause of the blasters ^^ but hey, thats something to work with, no?
so you still have 621 pts for hq and troops. Blasterchon for 75 pts, maybe two to go with the born, thats an extra 2 shots, 150, 471 remains. 125 for nade wyches in venom thats 3 sqads, and just for fun: 3 wracks in venom w cannon 95, you have 1 point remaining
so at 1.5k
2 blasterchon, 3*4 blasterborn in dissi raider w NS, 3*5 wyches w nades in venom w d.cannon, 3 wracks in venom w d.cannon, 3 dissi ravs NS
50 ap2 shots, 48 splinter shots

man how i hate shooty armies XD

Yes the list I played against did usually have descent of the angels, I had 2 units straight in my face on turns 1...Would the Warwalkers also help in taking them down here?

war walkers? not really, maybe with starcannon, but that is very pricey, and you get 4 s6 ap2 shots for a lot of points. Better to go with dual FO and go 6 ravs

I'll chime in with the "go shooting" parade here. No other advice needed, really.

Look at your AP2 weapons (Dark Lances/Dissies) and see how you can max out on those in your list. You'll also need to take objectives ofcourse and for that you'll have the Venoms with Wracks or Wyches. If you shoot lots and lots of poison they'll throw 1s once and awhile.

Descent of the angels? I thought that was a blood angels thing not dark angels.

Mushkilla wrote:

Descent of the angels? I thought that was a blood angels thing not dark angels.

Yeah, only the Blood Angels Jumppack units have that rule.

Do the Dark Angels have a special rule for deepstriking termies? I think they have something called Deathwing Assault or whatnot, but im not too sure.

I don't remember the name of it, I just know that they can DS from turn 1. It has something like a descent in it maybe? Not a big space marine fan xD

Deathwing assault I believe.

Deathwing players like you to think they have mobility, because their army can deepstrike. But deepstrike is not mobility, as any daemon player worth his salt will tell you. He can't assault you on the turn he deepstrikes, so just relocate your whole army and shoot him to death. Most deathwing players run thunder shields and hammers with cyclone missile launchers as their main form of shooting. If he runs storm bolters you are laughing as he won't have those nice 3+ invulnerable saves against your lances. At the end of the day deathwing is a foot slogging army (unless he brings landraiders).

Hope that helps.

and even if he bring lr-s, you can have 3 squads of blasterborn and some wyches waiting for that to happen and crack it open like no tomorrow! ^^

I cracked his LR first turn, with a DL rolled 4, then 6 then 6 xD it went kaboooom ^^ Love the fresh smell of burnt in the morning ihihihih *W*

Don't you just love the look on your opponents face when that happens? Awesome stuff.

tlronin wrote:

Don't you just love the look on your opponents face when that happens? Awesome stuff.

Hahah yes!

Either way, I would have to swap my listen to play against termins. Problem is in organised tournaments/events you can' t swap your list on the fly right? And dissies are rarely used outside of termins :S

i use dissies all the time and my AT is wyches...well was, now im remaking, reremaking and rereremaking my lists over and over!

Enfernux wrote:

i use dissies all the time and my AT is wyches...well was, now im remaking, reremaking and rereremaking my lists over and over!

Well the problems is that with my current list, which you follow, I don't know what to change in gear or units to have a chance of fair fights in case I fight vs a full on termins. I don't want to make it a list vs termies! But I feel like on my current layout I'd be lacking a lot towards fighting them.

As long at you get your AT from other units you're fine.

Heatlances on Reavers.
Blasterborn in a Venom.
Haywiregrenades on Wyches.
Haywireblasters on Scourges.
Etc.

You gotta find the balance. Construct something and post in on here. We'll have a look.

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t3990-1500-dark-eldar-w-eldar posted it here...

From now on, Incubi are AP2 so....do I need to say more?