1750p DE vs

Hello Dark City

I've a game coming up this Thursday against Necrons. It's for a special ânnual cup we are running at our club.
So one knows his opponent beforehand and hence one may tune his list accordingly.

I've just finished the folllowing list. C&C will be much appreciated. Just keep one important thing in mind. No allies for me. I've never bothered collecting any other 40K army and I will not start now just because GW have changed the rules.

Some words on my opponent. He's a young chap still getting the grasp of the game. Expecting maybe 1 or 2 flyers. He also likes to field Imothep.

Baron
5 wyches: haywire grenades
Venom: extra splinter cannon

5 wyches: haywire grenades
Venom: extra splinter cannon

10 warriors: blaster, splinter cannon
Raider: night shield, splinter rack, shock prows

10 warriors: blaster, splinter cannon
Raider: NS, SR, SP

10 warriors: blaster, splinter cannon
Raider: NS, SR, SP

6 reavers: 2 caltrops

4 beastmasters: 10 khymeras, 4 razorflocks

Ravager: 3DL, NS

Ravager: 3 DL, NS

Razorwing: splinter cannon, FF

Total: 1750p

Baron goes with the beastmasters

Yours
B

Ps forgot to mention the shock prows before;-)

not a bad list. Id run it.

The one thing that sticks out to me are the two venoms. Not saying that dont belong, but its the fact as they dont have NS. imho its everything nightshields or none at all. As for what to drop, I would say the splinter cannon on the razorwing (after it shoots its missles it should be shooting tanks anyway with 2 dark lances) and maybe the shock prows. Tank shocking has gotten way worse with being able to hit tanks with 3s in close combat, and us only being AV10 means even regular S4 (like orks on the charge) can kill us, no grenades required.

Hi Shadow

Thanx for the input.

Took your advice. Although it wasn't really necessary.
My opponent cam ewith a Necron court Deathstar.

Only two units of immortals (5 and 6 big), One annihilation barrge and one Doom scythe

So reavers killed the first unit of immortals in one go:-) Barge and Doom scythe were destroyed by Dark lances. The other unit of immortals were killed by the Beastmasters and pets.

I left the Deathstar for what it was. Went for the obejctives and battle in the pocket:-)

Yours
B

Okay, just heard who my next oppenent will be for the warriorcup.
He plays space wolves in the cup. However, Icould also face Eldar allies.

I've not had the time to build a new list. Still have some time anyway. The battle is planned for next month.

Thinking of running an Archon with incubi this time. As I haven't been playing incubi for quite some time now. Maybe I'll drop the reavers.
For the time being suggestions are welcome. I'll post my next list in due time.

Yours
B

Whats likely to be in the Wolves/Eldar list, it sounds like a tough match up. Doomed units with long fangs or living lightning hitting them are probably instant toast.
My first thought would be to go with MSU's and as many venoms as possible.

Okay

Here's my first thought.

Archon: venomblade, soultrap, huskblade, shadowfield

Heamonculus: lquifier gun

5 incubi
Raider: Dl, NS, FF

4 trueborn: 4 blasters
Venom: extra splinter cannon

4 treuborn: 4 blasters
Venom: extra splinter cannon

5 wyches:haywire grenades
Venom: extra splinter cannon

5 wyches: haywire grenades
Venom: extra splinter cannon

10 W: blaster, splinter cannon
Raider: Dl, NS, SR

10 W: blaster, splinter cannon
Raider: Dl, NS, SR

Ravager: 3Dl, NS
Ravager: 3Dl, NS
Ravager: 3Dl, NS

Total: 1746p

Archon and heamie join the incubi

C&C welcome
Yours
B

An other option could be to drop 2 TB., giving me 58p extra to spent.
This let me to add:
combat drugs
nigth shields on the venoms
venomblade on heamy

What do you think?

Yours
B

Hmm.. Ditching one blaster born from each squad gives you enough for nightshields on the blasterborn's venoms and a PGL on the archon. It maybe worth dropping the blasters on the gunboats for more incubi and switching the darklance on the incubi raider to a dissy.
P.S. if you were a gambling man you could always grab some Haemy funky wargear like a CoM. It most likely wont do anything, but you could always give it a try since it's all we have against witches.

There may be rules about this that I am unaware of regarding special characters, but since you have the benefit of knowing your opponent, I'd go with Lady Malys over the generic Archon and pick a suitably scary unit to put her with (Incubi are a nice choice).

Bacon mentioned CoM as being our only thing against witches, but the Lady is soooo much better. If your Incubi unit were hit with a Doom/Lightning combo, it would be toast, no question. She keeps them going. The only thing that can really affect them is Guide. And it's true that she is less killy than the Archon, but she's with Incubi - she doesn't need to be ultra killy. She also gets two more attacks than the Archon which helps make up for the S3 limitation.

The utility of moving units after deployment is nice as well, to pounce on the enemy.

You'd have to have a suitable model for the Lady (assuming proxies/psuedo-proxies aren't allowed). All you need is a female kabalite torso, a fancy blade, and another close combat weapon (or empty hand).

As for the rest of the list, I'd consider dropping something (maybe a Wych unit) and finding some points to put the Reavers back in there. Reavers love to eat Long Fangs squads.

Thanks for the input guys

Just came up with some changes I'll include the razorwing once again. But ditched the heamy and a ravager.

I haven't thought about Lady Malys. Maybe not a bad idea. Never played here before though.

List in progress:-)

Yours
B

somerandomdude wrote:

There may be rules about this that I am unaware of regarding special characters, but since you have the benefit of knowing your opponent, I'd go with Lady Malys over the generic Archon and pick a suitably scary unit to put her with (Incubi are a nice choice).

Bacon mentioned CoM as being our only thing against witches, but the Lady is soooo much better. If your Incubi unit were hit with a Doom/Lightning combo, it would be toast, no question. She keeps them going. The only thing that can really affect them is Guide. And it's true that she is less killy than the Archon, but she's with Incubi - she doesn't need to be ultra killy. She also gets two more attacks than the Archon which helps make up for the S3 limitation.

The utility of moving units after deployment is nice as well, to pounce on the enemy.

You'd have to have a suitable model for the Lady (assuming proxies/psuedo-proxies aren't allowed). All you need is a female kabalite torso, a fancy blade, and another close combat weapon (or empty hand).

As for the rest of the list, I'd consider dropping something (maybe a Wych unit) and finding some points to put the Reavers back in there. Reavers love to eat Long Fangs squads.

*slaps head* your right, how could i have forgotten her? Great idea here.

Okay

I tried to make a proper list including incubi and Malys.Unfortunately not to my satisfaction. So, I kept the unquestionable units and re-thought the rest.

Here we go once again:-)

Asdrubael Vect
Lady Malys
8 Bloodbrides: haywire grenades, 2 shardnet/impaler; Syren with power axe
Raider: DL, NS,FF

5 wyches: haywire grenades
Venom: extra SC

5 Warriors: blaster
Venom: extra SC

5 Warriors: blaster
Venom: extra SC

10 Warriors: blaster, SC
Raider: DL, NS, SR

6 Reavers: 2 caltrops

Ravager: 3 DL, NS

Ravager: 3 DL, NS

Razorwing: 2DL, SC, FF, monoscythe missiles

Total: 1747p

Well, I do lack the AP2 closecombat weapons now, save the power axe.
On the other hand I have killerbrides and vect now:-)

Also, in our club themeta is still fairly tank orientated, although a shift is becomng noticable.
That's why I tend to stick to DLs for the time being.

Comments are still welcome

Yours
B

the battle has been played.

I used the above list withjust some minor modifications.

I dropped the ff on Vect's raider. I gave the Syren an agoniser instead of a power axe. And instead of the shardnet/impaer I went for the razorflails.
The razorwing was given dissies instead of dl.

I faced:
Priest
small unit of longfangs with 4 missile launchers
3 rhinos with 10 man squad
2 units of 3 thunderwolves with stormshields
Aegis defence line with quad gun

We played crusade and deployed vanguard

Quite pleased with the outcome:-) At turn 6 he was down to 3 marines and a rhino.
I've lost the raidersquad, Vect's raider, Venom and wyches, Razorwing. And an immobilised venom

What did it for me? saturation, focus fire, poisened shot backed up with AP2 fire.And Vect, Malys and his brides munching through a marine unit.
Oh, how do I love the reavers. I play them quite agressively. They went straight off boosting over the longfans with priest. That combined with poisen shots only 2 fangs were still up for a fight after turn 1.

So, with this victory I'm in the semi finals. Not sure yet who my next opponent will be.

Yours
B

Okay, I finally know my next opponent for the semi finals: Necrons - again:-(

Not sure what he'll bring, but I know it will be hard as nails.

Nevertheless, I want to play my plan so here we go.

Baron (increasing the chance of going first)

4 TB: 2 DL
Raider: DL, NS

4 TB: 2 DL
Raider, DL, NS

4 TB: 2 DL
Raider: DL, NS

4 wyches: haywire grenades
Venom: extra SC

5 warriors: blaster
Venom: extra SC

5 warriors: blaster
Venom: extra SC

5 warriors: blaster
Venom: extra SC

4BM: 10 khymeras, 4 flocks

Ravager: 3DL, NS
Ravager: 3DL, NS
Razorwing: NS, FF

Total: 1732p

So I'm 18p short. Not sure what to get for that.

Reason why I went for the DL TB is to exploit our long range sniping squads. TB will deploy seperate from raiders.
Not sure about the BM though. However they seem to be the best company for the Baron, and I do want to play the Baron.

Anyway, C&C are always welcome.

Yours
B

not a bad list.

First off though wyches must be taken in squads of 5.

other than that a decent list. Question though, why take 4 man trueborn squads if all you want are the lances??? 3 is sufficent, and you can use those points elsewhere

Thanx Shadow

Oops, wyches are indeed 5 'strong', is a typo.

Of course, why take 4 TB? Probably because I initially wanted to take 4 blasterborn. Dropping 3 TB gives me an extra 36p to spent.

Okay, I'll check what I can get for that.

Yours
B

Played this list with minor modifications yesterday.

Droppped the TB t 3 man squads.

All vehicles got NS
And I added 2 shatterfield missiles.

I played against Grey Knights. Not the best 40K player in our club. Nevertheless, the list played well - tabled him in no time:-)
Only lost 5 man squad of warriors and immobilised ravager

Next week I'll face my Necron opponent. Heard he's going Wraith heavy.

Yours
B