Venom 12" 12 shots?

When the above is mentioned that's including the 5 on board? 6 from the cannon 1 from the rifle and 1 each from the warriors on board, 12 shots? So for example if its carrying incubi that's only 7 shots? Raiders the same? Thanks

Most people quote 12 shots from the venom as its a no brainier to upgrade the rifle to a second cannon. So much in fact most of us assume the venom is 65 base!

I would go so far as to say you should always spend the extra for the extra cannon

Oh ok so the splinter rifle becomes a cannon, really should read my codex cover to cover with a highlighter pen, yeah well worth it hey? If you have anyone with splinter weapons on board that's 12 inches 17 shots.

At 12", with 5 splinter rifles on board you can in fact get 22 shots as the splinter rifles would be in rapid fire range.

OMG of course!!!! but who puts warriors in a venom, Oh true born, shard carbines, 27 shots OM Coodness!!!

You can only fire the cannons on the venom itself at full ballastic skill, if you go 12" the troop on board can only snap fire.
If you want the venom and the troops to be able to fire you can only move 6".

PaulT wrote:

OMG of course!!!! but who puts warriors in a venom, Oh true born, shard carbines, 27 shots OM Coodness!!!

A common loadout is 5 warriors in a venom. This may include a Blaster but that still leaves 4 splinter rifles.

Got it

Just to clarify one point: the passangers inside and the trnasport do not have to shoot at the same target. They are seperate units and shoot seperately. So, it's important to think of the shots as "12+5" or "12+10" or however it works out. Often you can shoot the Warriors first at a close-range target, then if they finish it off you can shoot the Venom at a farther-away target and get the most damage. OR, shoot the Venom at the close target to soften it up, then hope the Warriors finish it off for the Pain Token.

There are interesting decisions to be made when you choose your final position of your Venom prior to shooting, no?

Yes that's very important I didn't realize that in a game not too long ago. Is that a 6th ed rule?

i often use warriors in a venom with a blaster and go transport hunting with them as they compliment each other very well the same is also true with a raider with lance and warriors with splinter cannon and splinter racks either or they are very effective.

no it was a rule in 5th ed as well but became more important this edition with being able to snap fire after moving 12