1500 competitive flier list...

archon
agoniser
shadowfield

haemonculus
liquifier

4 trueborn
4 blasters
venom
splinter cannon

4 trueborn
4 blasters
venom
splinter cannon

3 wracks
venom
splinter cannon

5 warriors
blaster
raider

5 warriors
blaster
raider

8 wyches (archon and heamonculus go here)
hekatrix
agoniser
haywire grenades
raider

razorwing
splinter cannon

razorwing
splinter cannon

razorwing
splinter cannon


C&C's please!!!

19 dark lances

You won't win a game because you have nothing to hold objectives. you dont have enough to really contest without being absolutely smashed. and with all 3 flyers in reserve, you wont be able to put enough pressure early on and run the risk of being tabled bigtime.

archon
agoniser
shadowfield

haemonculus
liquifier

4 trueborn
4 blasters
venom
splinter cannon

4 trueborn
4 blasters
venom
splinter cannon

3 wracks
venom
splinter cannon

3 wracks
venom
splinter cannon

5 warriors
blaster
raider

5 warriors
blaster
raider

8 wyches (archon and heamonculus go here)
hekatrix
agoniser
raider

ravager

razorwing

razorwing


hows that??
extra unit of wracks gives me 5 troops to pick up the objectives once everything has been blown off them

Although harsh, mregular is right.

Although the number of lance weapons is ok, tbe number long ranged ones on the board on turn one is low (5 in your 2nd list).

5 troops, even small ones, can be ok, but only if the rest of the list is fearsome enough that the opponent can't risk concentrating on them.

Trueborn with blasters were essential in 5th, but are very expensive and fragile. However 6th edition has given us haywire grenades and *some* people are moving away from mech, which allows us to reduce our anti tank slightly. All trueborn and wyches should have haywire grenades. Also I would advise reducing the trueborn to units of 3 in 1500 pt games. Consider 5 wyches with haywire grenades instead of one of the units of warriors, turbo the venom turn 1, then throw a grenade and charge on turn 2.

Next you have put all you eggs in one basket with the wyches. I would drop the archon, and swap another razorwing for a ravager which would allow you to have 10 wracks (incl. leader) in a raider.

You have much more pressure on the enemy turn 1: 2 ravagers shooting from long range. 2 assault units in raiders in his face turn 1, plus a venom with 5 wyches which will wreak any tan he has if allows to charge turn 1, 2 trueborn units and a warriors squad in mid field, plus you still have a small wrack squad hiding out of LOS.

DE Flyer lists can be an all or nothing affair. The opponent either has no anti air and the razorwings do well, but if they do have any air defense the razorwings can go down quick. If you want to still use 2 razorwings I would use points from reducing the trueborn to units of 3 to help afford the large wrack squad.

Rathstar

cool, i'll look to changing the trueborn for more wracks then

i'd like to keep 2 razorwings as one normally just dies by itself, and 2 allows me to counter their air support and get some damage on the ground...

it's a shame we cant take 10 main squads with 2 dark lances in a raider anymore =P

Archon
Agonizer
Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier

3 Trueborn
Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3 Trueborn
Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

10 Wracks
Raider

5 Wyches
Haywire Grenades
Venom
Splinter Cannon

8 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Raider

5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider

5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider

Razorwing Jetfigher

Razorwing Jetfigher

Ravager


that is 37 points over but takes into account what's been said... what do i take out?

venom blades not agonizer's don't know the points off hand

If you're looking to knock flyers out, I'd recommend Voidravens instead of Razorwings.

Archon
Agonizer
Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier

3 Trueborn
Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3 Trueborn
Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

6 Wracks
Raider

5 Wyches
Haywire Grenades
Venom
Splinter Cannon

8 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Raider

5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider

5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider

Razorwing Jetfighter

Razorwing Jetfighter

Ravager


hows that as a revised list...

i like agonisers... play too many spersss mereeens to not have the power weaponnes
void ravens would be a yes if they could contend with infantry as well and not cost the earth...

Is 6 wracks better than 5 wracks with liguifier gun? Even with haemys own ilguifier?

Razorwings really benefit from Flicker Fields, and wracks are good at something I'm sure but I haven't figured out what that is

the 6 wracks was mainly for the additional numbers