Chaos Daemons confirmed for March

Chaos Daemons are supposedly slated for a March release, after the mid-February "Death from the Skies". The following are the summary rumours that are floating around at the moment on various forums, courtesy of Faeit 212.

I have to say, after the most recent Chaos Daemons and CSM plastic updates, I am really looking forward to seeing what emerges from these releases. And I will be very interested to see Jeremy Vetock's new codex.

Faeit 212 wrote:

via Stickmonkey via Bols
Overview and Schedule
The Chaos Daemons release slot as last time around is a dual system release, updating the repsective armies for both Warhammer 40,000, and Warhammer Fantasy. There are a large number of models to be released as well as both books, so look for it to get broken up into 2 waves at least - with the lower possibility of 3 waves.

Look for the initial wave next month, and follow up waves a quarter later. That would put the first wave in March and the followup in June. Note however that Games Workshop has this thing for releasing Daemons in August - so that second wave might slide a little.

In any case, onto the waves themselves:

Wave 1
BloodThirster/Skarbrand (plastic)
Great Unclean One (plastic)
Chariot of Khorne/Herald of Khorne/Khorne Cannonade (anyone remember the old epic Doom Blaster)
Plague Flies of Nurgle
Palanquin of Nurgle/KuGath upgrade/Herald of Nurgle
Fiend of Slaanesh

There is also word of a named Daemon Prince and several smaller finecast models as well.

via Stickmonkey via Bols
This round of rumors is regarding the Second Wave, penciled in for June. Note however that Games Workshop has this thing for releasing Daemons in August - so that second wave might slide a little.

In any case, onto the waves themselves:

Wave 2
Keeper of Secrets/(Named GD of Slaanesh)
Lord of Change/Fateweaver
Furies/(Chaos ground daemons...I've heard this alternate kit unit has an "unstable" rules granting them an extra save, a 12" teleport, and a chance to lose models (determined randomly).
Hounds of Khorne
An all new Tzeentch Flyer... (NOT the Heldrake)
Chariot of Tzeentch/ Flame cannon alt kit)


Compilation via Zion over on Heresy Online (via Faeit 212)
Compiled on January 2nd
Daemon Rumours
For those who just want the quick compilation here it is (actual links and rumour postings are below the compilation for those who want to see where this is all coming from):

Writer: Jeremy Vetock (both books!) (if this is true, it might be why we haven't seen that much from him recently prior to the DA book)
Projected Release: Dual Release in Feb (primarily gathered from other rumours)

Undivided
Chaos Beast (Maybe this guy? ) Approximately Daemon Prince sized/about twice as tall as a Bloodletter
Furies getting redone. Approximately Gargoyle sized with bat wings and a number of different head options (heads are 2 section heads like the Bloodletters). Dual kit with a ground based model option as well. Plastic kit.
New Elite Daemon Engine. Approximately Dreadnought sized. Lots of options with some God-specific model bits. Rumoured to be unique to Daemons.

Khorne
New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)
Jes Goodwin rumoured to be the one who sculpted/is sculpting the new Bloodthirster
Khorne Chariot (2 Bloodcrushers pulling something that looks like a wagon) with a Herald or some kind of new model that looks like it's belching fire.
Some kind of large flame belcher thing (maybe same as the option for the chariot?)
New Bloodthirster reportedly is a little shorter than the Dreadknight, hasn't changes too much in style though.

Tzeentch
New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)
New Chariot, pulled by screamers with Horrors riding it. Has an alternate Large Flamer (Pyrocastser perhaps?) rider option too.
Large Flamer (Pyrocaster perhaps? Maybe the same as the chariot character) “instead of horrors” (again, I have no idea what they mean by this, as it's an odd statement that doesn't make too much sense).
New Lord of Change is the tallest of the new Greater Daemons (not counting the wings). Apparently less hunched than before, and has a “fishy looking” option.

Slaanesh
New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)
Plastic Fiends were in the works. Current status unknown.
New Keeper of Secrets is a whole new design, shirking the old design and the FW one for something different, but still “very Slanneshi”.

Nurgle
New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)
Large Base Palanquin, Nurglings, Daemon Prince Base, Fat Plague Bearer (I'm not sure what this one means, this is the actual sentence from the rumour)
New Ku'gath design?
No Blight Drone
Some kind of large Nurgle flies being ridden by Plaguebearers
New Great Unclean One reportidly the best of the new Greater Daemon options (“absolutely rot, in a good way”)

Other
Rumours of a Chaos piece of terrain, no word on if it made it past the idea stage or if it's just wishlisting.
No word of other Exalted Chariot options at this time
All models are designed for both Fantasy and 40k now
Only Characters getting models are the ones who haven't gotten one yet
Daemons update will not be a huge overhaul to the books, mostly an addition of new models (I'm guessing some rules changes, points costs and some statlines will get tweaked a bit too if the WD update is anything to go by)
New Greater Daemons looked bigger than the old ones, might be moving to a larger base size
Greater Daemons might be wave releases instead of when the book drops.

The Rumour Posts:
These are all from Warseer's Fantasy Rumour section, though from the rumurs they should also carry over to the 40k codex which is supposed to drop at the same time (if the rumours are true).

Harry on Warseer:
In an effort to pull together what few rumours we have …
I have started threads for each of the armies rumoured to be somewhere in the pipeline.
I will do my best to keep the first posts updated as more rumours appear in these threads.
I have tried to remember as much as I can of what has been posted so far.
I will have missed or forgotten some of it ... so, any rumours that have been posted please just remind me ‘who’ said ‘what’ and I will update this first post.

Daemons of Chaos:
I know we have only just had a wave of Daemons but now we have this from hastings:

Release Date:
"The daemon rules should be taken as a stepping stone to the updated book (much like the wd vc terrorgheist article) next 4 books (for both systems are all chaos (in one form or another) and will hit within 4-5 months for all of them". (Hastings).
To clarify....Books: CSM, WoC, DoC, Chaos Daemons
All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik) (Hastings)

So we are talking february at the latest?
Author:
Unknown

Rules:
Unknown ... Beyond those suggested by the rules booklet in the recent WD

Models:
All 4 greater Deamons will get plastic kits (with head/weapon options plus wfb/40k specific bits on sprues) and that there will be "resin conversion packs" to make "named greater Deamons". (Hastings) No idea of timescales on this. I am not expecting them to arrive together Or with this wave. (Harry)
Jes Goodwin is rumoured to be doing the Bloodthirster. (BRING IT ON! ) No timescale for this. (NatTreehouse)
Khorne chariot, two bloodcrushers pulling a wagon with herald option or some fire belching thing. Large base
Tzentch chariot, pulled by screamers, with horrors riding, but I've also heard it has a large flamer rider too. Large base
Nurgle palanquin, nurglings, daemon prince base, fat plague bearer.
4 GD with variants for named daemons and swappable options, most rumors point to resin packs, but I've heard wind its all in the plastic kits lately. I'd lean towards Harry's news, but I hope for all in one myself. I have heard that these may be moving to the larger base now, if so, they will be huge. One can hope, but I don't have a lot of confidence in this bit.
Furies (no dual kit options I've heard of.) in plastic.
Plastic fiends were being worked on at one point, but I haven't heard anything about them recently.
New elite daemon engine. 40k Dreadnought sized. Lots of options. Quasi-God specific bits like the soulgrinder. Supposedly unique to daemons not the same as this new unit for chaos space marines.(Stickmonkey)
Big khorn flame belcher thing
Tzeentch Larger flamer instead of horrors.
Sounded like more ranged options for the daemons.(Stickmonkey)

Harry:
Maybe their are just two books ... with daemons included!!!

EDIT: Although hastings is pretty clear...
To clarify....
Books.
CSM
WoC
DoC
Chaos Daemons
All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik)

Stickmonkey:
There has been some chatter on a demonic terrain piece, but I'm putting it down to wishlisting for now, nothing solid. Portal? meh. Shrine? meh.

I got to see the Ku'gath designs recently. Pretty Ace. The lab is wild, with nurgling assistants. I'm looking forward to seeing it translated to a model.

No more exalted chariots...at least not that I've heard of.

I did see a design for a big unaligned chaos beast of some kind. Looked like a oversized bear with a toothy maw instead of a head. No idea if it ever went on to be a model. Probably daemon prince sized. Design had a bloodletter drawn next to it which may have been half it's height.
I'm thinking the Chaos Beasts might be based on this guy. He's about twice the height of your infantry sized models after all.

Hastings (in response to a question regarding the Blight Drone being added to the 40K codex, this was confirmed again in the Fantasy rumour thread as a valid rumour):
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Not blight drones but similar, I can see 40k players using the FW blight drones instead of the big nurgle flies ridden by plagubearers that are getting released.

Stickmonkey:
Looks like my sourcing is again off on timelines. So I'm putting in an update on it here, lots of things have changed to me since my last timeline thread. (I want to repeat, these are rumors, almost none of this really "changes" per se, GW's got their plan, I don't, I get information that aligns from a few sources and try to base what I tell you on that)

Was correct on WoC for Nov, as that's in the bag now, moving on to Dec.

Jan:
Daemons. Still on track. Vetock doing WFB and 40k books, but I havent had confirmation that the books are actually coming in Jan. Expect Greater Daemons in plastic, a couple new chariots, a new daemon engine, and a couple new characters (well...characters which have never received models) Word is the Daemons update will not be a huge overhaul to the current book. Expect few new units. But the new GD models are phenomenal, love every one of them, especially the new GUO. None of the new units are single system, everything is in both 40k and WFB now.
Obviously he was off on Jan (that is Dark Angels), but the other stuff he mentions lines up with other rumours, and he gives us an author.


StickMonkey...
I forgot about Furies. They have been redone, they are coming for Daemons, they look so much better than the current models. The question will be if their rules make them worth it. They are about Nid Gargoyle sized, maybe a bit larger. Bat wings. Much more daemonic heads with toothy maws in 2 parts like the horrors and bloodletters. Not the bat men of old. Dual kit with a new ground based daemon, much like the vargheist/crypt horrors (which I've mentioned before).

There are a lot of questions winging my way about the GD. So to try to address those:
1. I don't know for sure all 4 will be released at once or if they will be in waves.
2. I have conflicting rumors they are moved to the oval base and are roughly the size of the beastmen gorghon, vs staying on the 60mm round bases. Based on my personal eyes on on WIP before, they are bigger. The GUO was not as big as the FW model, but its bigger than a dreadnought. My source says the GUO is the best looking of the new models, that it is "absolutely rot, in a good way".
3. The BT should be slightly shorter than the dreadknight. stylewise it hasnt changed much.
4. The KoS is the most changed style wise. Does not go towards the FW model or retain the style of the current GW model. Still very slaaneshi
5. The LoC AFAIK is the tallest of the models, not just due to the wings. Did not appear as hunched as before. Head options include a more fishy looking option.

Blood of Kittens (I think) had a piece recently saying that they expect nerfs to the rules for models released with the WD update. They will have sold masses of the new models because of their ridiculous in-game power and can now bring them down to a more reasonable level without losing out on sales. They apparently did the same with Skullcrushers in the recent WoC army book. Article here

Looks like they are indeed next:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HeYgzDvqOK4

Slow down the flashes and you see Plaguebearers, Lord of Change, Daemonettes, etc.

Plastic Krak in NZ just posted some pics. Some of it very nice, the Tzeentch chariots might make interesting contributions to my CSM plans at some point, but others are a bit too ornate or OTT to me, especially for tabletop use. I'm not a CD player though.

NOTE - pics, etc., are available on GW's site. Gob.

so those blight drones arent what I expected. I thought they would look more flyish. hmm... maybe I can change them up...

As for everything else, it looks good. I dont like the herald of nurgle though... looks too much like a plaguebearer imho. Guess Im still going with my 3rd party heralds then

With the possible exceptions of the Slaaneshi Herald and the Tzeentch Heralds Chariot, I'm not impressed by these at all. The Khorne chariots look complete rubbish in fact and the Plague Drones are awful.

Count Adhemar wrote:

With the possible exceptions of the Slaaneshi Herald and the Tzeentch Heralds Chariot, I'm not impressed by these at all. The Khorne chariots look complete rubbish in fact and the Plague Drones are awful.

My thought's exactly. I was looking at doing a dual based army with this tutorial so I could play both 40k and Fantasy:

http://santacruzwarhammer.blogspot.ca/2009/01/modeling-tutorial-how-to-make-dual.html

I'll wait for the army book/codex, but these models are not very impressive. The Nurgle Herald is okay, but the Plague Drones look like sad skinny elephants (aka like crap). And I love Nurgle.

Count Adhemar wrote:

With the possible exceptions of the Slaaneshi Herald and the Tzeentch Heralds Chariot, I'm not impressed by these at all. The Khorne chariots look complete rubbish in fact and the Plague Drones are awful.

how do you not LOVE the Harley of Khorne??? Its like the herald walked up to two bloodletters, bro-fist and said "Yo Broskis, Lets hope on my cool ass Harley and go chop off some human heads!!!". Ofc they hop on, pop a wheelie and giant explosions go off behind them.

Ah Ward... why do you bring out the bros in this game...

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how do you not LOVE the Harley of Khorne??? Its like the herald walked up to two bloodletters, bro-fist and said "Yo Broskis, Lets hope on my cool ass Harley and go chop off some human heads!!!". Ofc they hop on, pop a wheelie and giant explosions go off behind them.

Ah Ward... why do you bring out the bros in this game...

Congratulations, you've just made me hate all Bloodletters!

Seriousl though, those Plague Drones are hideous. I'm not overly convinced on the rest of the range, either.

Shadows Revenge wrote:

how do you not LOVE the Harley of Khorne???

I think 75hastings69 described it best over on Warseer:

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The Segway of Khorne ...

A note on the Plague Drones, there are other pics from next month's WD that seem to show them with different heads, or at least without the pachydermesque protuberances they have in the above picture.

if only they took away the stupid bike looking aspect and just had it being pulled by juggies, would of made it fine. The chariot deal is ok in 40k, and they are doing it right with the slaanesh chariots and the tzeentch chariots. Just coulda done the same with khorne and left it alone... but NNNNOOOO!!!!.... Ward had to get his hands on them

Gobsmakked wrote:

A note on the Plague Drones, there are other pics from next month's WD that seem to show them with different heads, or at least without the pachydermesque protuberances they have in the above picture.

OH please, oh please! I'll have to look for those pictures. And...

Gobsmakked wrote:

I think 75hastings69 described it best over on Warseer: The Segway of Khorne ...

I laughed for a good two mintues before I could post this. Thank you for making my day.

Also, I am not sure what the old Battleforce used to be, but this release's Battleforce seems to have a pretty decent smattering of units:

• Unit of Bloodletters
• Unit of Plaguebearers
• 5 Slaaneshi Rider broads (can't remember their name, Seekers?)
• 3 Nurgling bases
• 3 Screamers

I'd call that a pretty good haul with a lot of what daemon armies need. We'll see if that changes when the codex drops and everything gets changed.

Shadows Revenge wrote:

if only they took away the stupid bike looking aspect and just had it being pulled by juggies, would of made it fine. The chariot deal is ok in 40k, ...

Totally off-topic - This is actually why the DE Void Raven has been delayed so long. They have been feverishly redesigning it according to this new corporate meta, so that it has gouts of dark matter billowing out from its engine exhausts whilst simultaneously being pulled forward by four winged Scourges ('cos it's four-engined, you know) who are chained to the underside of the nose.

As befits these new, dual-purpose HQ/HS chariot kits, you have the option of reclining in the front gunner/bombardier's position the equally long-overdue Vect model, with nymphs draped all over him, an Agoniser in one hand to urge the Scourges from hover-to-supersonic in 4.8 seconds, and a Dark Lance in the other to complete the Dais version's 3-gun loadout. His accompanying squad is ejected from bomb-bay chutes during low-level strafing runs, with a new 66-point mishap table being rolled on to determine each one's fate upon hitting the ground.

The only model I like is the Khorne Herald and MAYBE the Tzeentch Herald on Chariot but apart from that, all of those models just look bleh to me personally. The Slaanesh Herald looks like she rolled in some Chaos bits and Isabella Von Carstein's dress scrapes. The Nurgle Herald is just screaming Aliens to me but not in a good way, and the Skullthrone/Harley of Khorne is just 'Dafuq?' atm.

Also, remember that this time that both Daemons books aren't done by Ward, since Phil has 40k Daemons and Ward has Fantasy again.

That Khorne Chariot thing is just ridiculous. The Bloodletters look like they're supposed to be pulling it but they're in it! Didn't realise daemons were that dumb!

Gobsmakked wrote:

A note on the Plague Drones, there are other pics from next month's WD that seem to show them with different heads, or at least without the pachydermesque protuberances they have in the above picture.

Anything that makes them look less like bloated Aardvarks.



This does actually look much better!