What sort of giant walker or MC might DE get?

Nah... More a bloated Talos, like trice the size and floating.

Or... or... or... 3 Grotesques combined. Giving it 3 heads. S8, T8, 6W, 6A

On a 3+ it becomes a S10 3 attacks. Else you lose a wound due to clonfict in the 3 brains.

In the fluff there was a thing about a coven who was known for massive grotesques.

Shadows Revenge wrote:

an interesting option would be a FMC pain engine thing.

You read my mind. This. All day. Dark Eldar's answer to the Heldrake? Yes please!

Siticus the Ancient wrote:

SebastionSynn wrote:

so i imagine we'll get this:

YES! Giant gene-spliced carnivorous dinosaur with power armor bolted on it that shoots heat lances from its eyes and dispenses pain tokens everywhere simply bey being so radical! Every heaemonculus' dream pet!

ROFLMAO! Nice one Siticus.

seriously though i expect we'll get a much bigger Grotesque or Pain Engine, but i doubt it will be flying, that would nullify the Voidraven/Razorwing models.

I expect something called PainKnight.

And Orks will get DeffKnight.

If memory serves, stompas were large tanks rather than small titans, bt no reason that cant change

wanderingblade wrote:

While a big pain engine makes sense, I would cheerfully skip it for an air superiority fighter, or any other number of possible things (Dominion-esque Kabalites, Land Speeder-esque gunboats with Disintegrators, Darklight snipers, Kabalite jetbikes for those who like shooty) which would seem more likely to aid maneuverability.

I dunno, the last time Gw made something which they described as an "air-superiority fighter" it really wasn't that superior. And besides, we already have the void raven, how much more superior than 2 st9 lances do you need?

A larger grot-beasts would be good, it would be nice to have a giant MC that is actually a monstrous creature, rather than a big walker using MC stats. I wonder how long it will take them to tumble the idea that the vehicle rules need overhauling, when you have to use non-vehicle stat lines to represent vehicles its time to take a look at the rules IMHO.

how about a huge mutated khymerae being whipped into battle by 2 or 3 beastmasters.

realistically though id put my money on a bigger pain engine

I don't see how you can make a bigger version of the current pain engine, it's is very organic from nature, it's almost like a grotesque was used as the organic body, the body in it has as similar size.

The old pain engine is completely different matter, the guy in it seemed more like a tortured pilot, but still a pilot. The main structure did seem like a coven robot, Nobody could argue that you could enlarge that one.

For the record, I made a bigger verison of the old talos, using a raider as the base of the model:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?254489-Dark-Moon-Kabal

Take the Defiler , who got a bigger version the Brass Scorpion, it was big to begin with and you can make a Brass scorpion out of deflier parts, then FW make a different version of the Brass scorpion.

Several problems arise when you consider a bigger pain engine: very organic, it would mean a lot of details. The main structure of the engine would be weird, unlike any other titan, it would count as a titan, but it's shape would be completely different.

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A larger grot-beasts would be good, it would be nice to have a giant MC that is actually a monstrous creature, rather than a big walker using MC stats. I wonder how long it will take them to tumble the idea that the vehicle rules need overhauling, when you have to use non-vehicle stat lines to represent vehicles its time to take a look at the rules IMHO.

Have you seen a a real grotesque? The model is ppretty big, bigger than what most would expect. You have to keep in mind this was a dark eldar, yet the size is ridiculous. I don't know how big the creatures can get, I sure would like to know.

I don't think oragnic is the way to go, neither is the robot way. What's 100% clear is that there are such things as huge ravagers & raiders.
Rather than going titan like imperials or eldar, dark eldar go bigger skimmer. This is very different from the imperials going baneblade or even Leviathan. The Tantalus is baneblade sized, FW sketches show bigger versions of battle barge and battle skiffs. There's also the famous bigger raider on the ravager background art.





These last 2 are clearly a lot bigger than tantalus, thus bigger than a baneblade.

There is a WIP Dark Eldar Imperial armour , delayed until further notice. Too many Horus Heresy books to come, next IA is again an Imperial one. The base work for the Superheavy skimmers is done, will is there too, but technology is a big obstacle. making the curvy lines and pointy parts is pretty hard it seems. Dark Eldar models are very hard to make, No wonder the new range took so long to come out.
The reaper and Tantalus were intended for that Dark eldar IA, but those were the only 2 models that could be finished, probably with a lot of hard work and effort.

I wish timetravel was possible, if you would go about 5 years in the future, you would find a DE IA with various DE skimmers. Just be patient, unless you actually got the skills to make the concept art come alive. One direction that's certain is the bigger skimmer.

Like imperials go bigger tanks and titans, Tau go bigger flyers only and dark eldar go bigger skimmers only.

I have never believed in Dark Eldar titans, neither have the GW guys, they have made this clear several times. Go ask Jes Goodwin if you don't believe me.

The other apocalypse direction to go into is the bigger flyer. The Voidraven is bigger than the Razorwing flyer, otherwise why release a seperate kit? No mention of it, but Dark Eldar do seem to prefer the direction of speed rather than bulky cc machines.

You can deny it all you want, but the old raider had huge similarities with Battlebarge from Jabba the Hut, I believe that still to be a reference., though the currenty raiders got a lot better designs, I still believe that to be a direction worth following.

What would be nice would be something Manta like, something in between a skimmer and the big space vessels, it wouldn't be big enough to work in space, but it could go into space, while at the same time it could go on a planet to assist the planetary slaving raids. No clue whether it would be a huge skimmer, or rather a huge flyer. Again to the Jabbas barge reference, if it was a huge skimmer, flyer rules would be better as it would take a huge amount of space on a table, like Jabbas barge it would float around ,like many have suggested it could even be able to transport raiders, which would bring back slaves from the raids.


I hope GW anf forgeworld gives us more love in the future, you do have a very decent amount of DE players and other players who use DE as allies or proxies, their sales are big enough to give us a lot more attention. The amount of kits Tau got in such a short period is just ridiculous, they got their manta even before imperials got a Reaver titan, The tau have a huge amount of FW models and GW also gave them plenty of love. Eldar should have a lot more models, I'm pretty sure you have a bigger eldar fanbase thna Tau, though I admit a lot of Eldar players have quit the hobby over the years, or they've become close to unactive.

I do hope for 2 major things: A New future Dark Eldar codex with more models 'love from GW' and our much awaited FW Imperial amour with lots of cool new expensive models. I say GW is losing money on this one...

Khain mor wrote:

I don't see how you can make a bigger version of the current pain engine, it's is very organic from nature, it's almost like a grotesque was used as the organic body, the body in it has as similar size.

The old pain engine is completely different matter, the guy in it seemed more like a tortured pilot, but still a pilot. The main structure did seem like a coven robot, Nobody could argue that you could enlarge that one.

Argue about what? Fiction? They can make up whatever they want, it's fiction. If they want to fantasize a pain engine the size of a Wraithknight, then who's stopping them?

I would just love to see a skimmer that could carry the duke with a unit of 20 warriors and take splinter racks.... I would use this every time.

I dont see a big 'walker' really keeping with the fluff either. A big monster or pain engine depending on supplement I reckon...

I personally feel that since GW is all about the sale I think we will most likely get a Mandrake (shadow realm? ) supplement. Thus our mc could easily be a demon Prince sized shadow beast. Now I think that could look really cool. Make it a jump MC (walking through the shadows warp spider style), give it stealth/shroud/infiltrate (in some combination) and I'd field it. Call it Lord of Shadow and make iit cause night fight once a game and I'd buy 5 lol

I can see Dark Eldar getting a gigantic pain engine, here's an example of how it can work:


Flesh and blood giants, the Dark Eldar pilot enters through a slot in the base of the neck and is hooked up to its nervous system, it becomes his body though occasionally the giant may awaken and go berserk.

Painknight -hopefully not.

Khain mor wrote:

For the record, I made a bigger verison of the old talos, using a raider as the base of the model:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?254489-Dark-Moon-Kabal

  So beautiful...

It's also official, I have now seen a DE army that is bigger than mine - my hat is off to you sir!

If the Skaven can make the Hell Pit Abomination in Fantasy I see no reason why the Dark Eldar can't corrupt something larger into a massive pain engine. Also, I like the idea of a webway launch vehicle. Something that carries all the Raiders and Ravagers to a world before releasing them into the atmosphere. It would be huge and very expensive (naturally) but could be cool.

TBH, I'm thinking I'd prefer a smaller tank... a recon venom that give bonuses to reserve rolls, allowed you to deploy a WWP, maybe even one big enough to fit X tanks, etc...

BUT since we are trying to actualyl follow a trend, double decker raider style 32 gun, double masted Yarr of the high web ways type deal. So trop that it's bout to see atleast 4 models.

Khain Mor, that collection is bananas. I also think that one of the large skimmer/gunboats that were concepted by forgeworld for the tantalus would be awesome.

Give it like a prow forcefield for 14 AV on the front with jink, then side and rear armor 10 and broadside batteries of lances and use it as a tip of the spear for coming out of the portal :p That would be some fun. Or take any large skimmer and give at an eldar titan holo-field and call it a day for apoc.

I've been drooling over the new lizardman releases, though. If there's one thing games-workshop is doing better and better its large monsters. Just about every army in the fantasy ranges has a jaw-dropping centerpiece now. I'd imagine they would knock a large Talos or arena beast (what up, dual kit) out of the park.

I would love a Tantalus or something of that sort.

If they just put in a Dais of Destruction with better rules, you bet your ass I'll take it in a second. AV13 everywhere with all/most of the upgrades from the Raider, transports 10 and shoots like a Ravager but with 3 Void Lances? Yes please.

So you want a giant skimmer? With a large transport capacity? That's good against flyers? And can drop a webway portal? And it's tough? Here's your new Apocalypse model.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/HMV98873lg.jpg

We are getting the Technodrome with a IC hamme named Krang. <.<;; What?

RetroGamer1224 wrote:

We are getting the Technodrome with a IC hamme named Krang.  <.<;; What?

I'd buy that. Maybe we can get a hammie inside of a giant wrack as our walker.

On topic though, we might already have ours. I know rumors are rumors but the new centurion models for space marines are rumored to have this statline:

Centurions WS4 BS4 S5 T5 W2 I4 Ld8/9 Sv2, Squad size 3-6, each costed as a Predator.

When I saw that I immediately though Grotesques with better leadership. though grots do cost half the points. Well, and a much much, much better armor save. That's sad, I don't even look at armor saves anymore. I need to try another army for a while.

All kidding aside I have a few ideas on what could pop up for a more heavy unit. But realisticly It probably will be another skimmer if at all anything. I have a feeling that we won't get an upgraded codex until a 7th edition.

A large construct that shoots something similar to Suncannons except maybe poisoned.
I hope we get something like a wraithknight or a hybrid of 2 MC. Just opinions