777 pts Tournament

As this is my first post, Hey! to everyone. I need help in creating an army for small tournament. There are some tournament rules:

777 points, 1 HQ, 1-4 Troops, 0-1 Elites, 0-1 Fast attack, 0-1 Heavy support
Max 3+ armor save
Max 4+ invulnerability save
Max 33 armor in total on vehicles
No Special/Unique/Named characters
Max level 1 psykers
Max 3 wounds on warlord and 2 wounds on everyone else
Max 1 flyer

This is what I came up with:

HQ
Heamonculi - 50 pts
Shatershard - 15pts

Elites
Incubi x4 - 88 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

Troops
1.Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

2. Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

3. Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

Heavy support
Ravager with nightshields – 115 pts

Total: 775/777

My total DE army is quite big so if you have any suggestions I will gladly read them. To your information I don’t have mandrakes, grotesque, Wracks, hellions, beasts, harlequins, scourges and cronos parasite engines.

Give your Hammi Venom Blade and Agonsier by taking away the shattershard. You have him in a close combat group, I think that he may serve better with that. Seeing as he may be challenged into hand to hand. Other than that, it looks goo I think.

What about giving Ravager disintegrators? There will be lots of Nurgle CSM. Besides every kabalite warrior team have blaster and Incubi can glance vehicles in CC.

You need those Dark Lances. You are lacking anti tank, true you have Blasters, but the Venoms each are shooting 12 poisons by themselves. This should kill those Nurgle CSM well enough. The Dark Lances also can handle things with 2+ Armor saves (Riptide).

As you stand now:
Dark Matter Shots a turn: 7
Poison Shots a turn: 60

Dark Lances are better in small games like this, especially when no one is allowed a save better than 3+, you don't need the S5 AP2 shots from the Disintegrator Cannons.

Blasters in a Warrior unit are a little unorthodox because the rest of the unit has poison shots, but in a small game you don't have a lot of flexibility. When the Blaster shoots at a tank, the rest of the shots can't do anything. And it's only one Blaster shot per unit, so it can't be relied on to destroy what you need, when you need it.

It's too bad you can't fit in a unit of 10 Warriors on a Raider, you'd have another Dark Lance then.

Aim those Incubi of yours right at any Terminators you see, that should be there number one target (unless you just want to avoid the Terminators)

Ok, thanks for the help but I came up with another idea. I don't really need Incubi because the limit for armor save is 3+.

HQ
Heamonculi - 50 pts
Shatershard - 15pts
Liquifier - 10 pts

Elites
Trueborn x4 - 88 pts
Splinter Cannon - 20 pts
Blaster - 30 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

Troops
1.Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

2. Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

3. Kabalite Warriors x5 – 45 pts
Blaster – 15 pts
Dedicated transport – Venom with two splinter cannons and nightshield - 75 pts

Heavy support
Ravager with nightshields – 115 pts

On the tournament there will be 2-3 CSM, 1-2 DA, 1 DE (besides me), 1 SoB, 1-2 Orks, 1 Tau, 1 IG, 2-3 SM. What do you think about this new list?

List looks fine to me, though I never thought about putting two splinter cannons and two blasters on a venom. Let me know how that works out. I guess because generally I want to find a good spot for my splinter rifles so I can get the heavy 6 as opposed to assault 4.

Honestly I just commented on this thread to ask this though:

With all those restrictions, why would they allow a flyer at 777 points?

One vendetta or Heldrake are going to tear every list apart with the exception of maybe tau, or unless you guys are playing on like a 4x4 board. Three twin linked lascannons and only 33 total armor? S6 AP3 torrent template and no 2+ armor saves? You need the dark lances just so you can shoot them. Chasing around a Heldrake or Vendetta with blasters isn't going to be fun. Even if you managed to fire all of your darklight at it you only have a 14% chance of destroying it, and mathematcially, strip .667 hull points off it. In other words, it's going to take you the entire game to kill it, with everything you have, and sure while general advice is to ignore flyers a Heldrake with vector strikes and torrents is going to demolish your army, because you only have 777 points! Not to be too negative, but that's what I'm thinking. Hopefully your opponents won't perpetrate such douchebaggery!

Shenanigans!

We play on 48"X48" board and they can't use Vendettas or Heldrakes beacause the have 34 armor in total.

Then your list should work just fine. Make sure you always move your transport, even if it's only an inch. And always shoot at something with all of your units. Don't go into combat at all, just keep out of distance (watch out for jump troops).

Oh didn't realize that's how the cap on the vehicles worked, in which case you might be better off with the disintegrator cannons on the ravager. You won't face anything higher than AV11. They're about even on production against vehicles at that number, all you really lose is the chance to instakill anything AV11. But you do gain a potent infantry killer.

Mixing special weapons in your trueborn... I'm not convinced.

Its going to be really awkward when you're shooting at 19+ inches and wasting 30 points for those blasters, and its also going to be really awkward when you're shooting at tanks with only 2 blasters and wasting all the potential of those splinter cannons.

Even bolters can destroy venoms in no time at all, so for your haemonculus to get in range of using his templates, he will find himself dead very quickly.

I would play it like this - Archon with blaster, 3 or 4 trueborn with blasters, venom w/ 2 S.Cannons. With this addition of reliable anti tank, you have more room to move with your ravager if you wanted dissies, or in changing up your troops choices.

Well, the tournament is over and I want to thank you all for your help and advices. There were 14 players and this was my first tournament, imagine my suprise when after last battle someone came to be and said "Congratulations, you won the tournament" My first battle was against DA and I won 14:6. Second battle was with Ultramarines and that was the most difficult battle which ended with a tie 10:10. Third battle was with Nurgle CSM and I killed all his units in turn 7 score 20:0. Last battle was with SW and I won 15:5. Mixing blasters and splinter cannons in Trueborn unit twice saved my life. Ravager had 3 lances and that was a good choice because most SM players had 3 transports that even with ravager were difficult to destroy. Well, thanks again