Unbound Lists

Now with 7th edition coming, might want to throw a couple of unbound lists, seeing how Battle-Forged doesn't look it like it will benefit us immensely (Can't think of a Troop choice that can contest without getting mauled, and Wyches will suffer due to new Snap Fire rules).

So here goes for trying to build something kill-tastic before I buy anything (single focus there, killing, and preferably as much of it on Turn 1). Please give me some feedback on whether these will actually work against similar sized armies- 1000 points.

List 1

Archon- Blaster, SF, VB- 110
Blasterborn- 3x, Venom- 146
Blasterborn- 4x, Venom- 173
Blasterborn- 4x, Venom- 173
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115

Modus Operandi- Sunder mobility, remove enemy armor/flyers, then engage infantry with all weapons, darklight and lance. Splinter very handy against IG, Orks, Nids. Lots of DL will make Marines/Termies cry.

List 2

Archon- VB, SF, PGL- 125
Incubi- 4x, Venom- 153
Blasterborn- 3x, Venom-146
Blasterborn- 4x, Venom- 173
Blasterborn- 4x, Venom- 173
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115

Modus Operandi- Same as above, but with added assault option to remove marines from objectives.

List 3

Archon- Blaster- 75
Blasterborn- 3x, Venom- 146
Blasterborn- 4x, Venom- 173
Splinterborn- 3x, 2x SC, 3x HWG, Venom- 127
Splinterborn- 3x, 2x SC, 3x HWG, Venom- 127
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115
Ravager- 3x DL, FF- 115

Modus Operandi- Less AT to make room more for AI. Splinterborn have HWG only for emergency situations. Will hurt IG, Orks, Nids much more than List 1. 7 vehicles rather than 6, so spreads out target saturation a bit. Very prone to giving away Slay The Warlord.

List 4

Haemonculi- 50
Splinterborn- 3, 2x SC, Raider w/FF- 126
Splinterborn- 3, 2x SC, Raider w/FF- 126
Splinterborn- 3, 2x SC, Raider w/FF- 126
Splinterborn- 3, 2x SC, Raider w/FF- 126
Wracks- 3, Raider w/FF- 100
Ravager- 3x DL w/FF -115
Ravager- 3x DL w/FF -115
Ravager- 3x DL w/FF -115

Modus Operandi- Focus on removing long-ranged weaponry, and sunder-mobility. 42-48" bubbles. Not too shabby against fliers. 32 Splinter Cannon shots to mow down infantry long after they are left stranded, with not so much chance in retaliation. 8 vehicles, at 1k point.

What y'all think?

Honestly brother I dont think those lists would do well against other unbound lists but luckily unbound must be agreed upon.

That said I believe that battle forged is in our benefit. Where we used to take say 4-6 units of warriors/wyches + ride we can now take the minimum 2 units plus 2-4 units of trueborn/reavers/beasts etc. Same scoring presence more killy. Min max has always been an aspect that DE played to and IMO this new edition favors that for us more than say marines. We cant hold an objective but we might be able to kill something off it.

Consider this approach to be 'unbound-lite".

Brom wrote:

Honestly brother I dont think those lists would do well against other unbound lists but luckily unbound must be agreed upon.

That said I believe that battle forged is in our benefit. Where we used to take say 4-6 units of warriors/wyches + ride we can now take the minimum 2 units plus 2-4 units of trueborn/reavers/beasts etc. Same scoring presence more killy. Min max has always been an aspect that DE played to and IMO this new edition favors that for us more than say marines. We cant hold an objective but we might be able to kill something off it.

Consider this approach to be 'unbound-lite".  

Which if you have noticed, is the M-O of these lists.

The benefits of BF are dubious for us at best. We can't really utilize the 'troops claiming objectives from non-battle forged non-troops' unless you are using a haemy coven. But it's so situational.

In the case of enemy using such a trick against you, throw in incubi.

I did note that aspect but other armies are capable of far worse than we are. Just for example and without running the exact math eldar could squeeze roughly 50 warp spiders. Space wolves around 11 terminator lone wolves with combi weapon.. and so on. What im saying is were lucky unbound is an optional rule or the power curve would move past DE rather quickly.

EDIT- Heres a 1k I fielded a few months back and as brutal as it was it wouldnt hold a candle to some unbound armies:

haemonculus

ELITES
3 trueborn hwg, 2 sc, venom- 2 sc, ns
3 trueborn hwg, 2 sc, venom- 2 sc, ns

TROOPS
5 wyches, hwg, venom- 2 sc, ns
5 wyches, hwg, venom- 2 sc, ns
5 wyches, hwg, venom- 2 sc, ns
5 wyches, hwg, venom- 2 sc, ns
5 wyches, hwg, venom- 2 sc, ns

999

50 warp spiders would bone us, but 11 terminator lone wolves- bring it on.

Remember that every LW killed is a victory point for them not us so in fact they could remove the TDA to buy more annoying lil buggers. Anyway just off the top of my head but you get the idea. Unbound is not our friend.

Crap, forgot about the lone wolf thing. Looks we'll just dance around them for six turns lol.

Unbound, is not our friend sure, but us going battle-forged won't stop going others unbound, so its already unfriendly to us either way. So may as well maximise either way, unless there are certain restrictions on UB lists, like min. of 2k points etc etc.

I could just easily spin list 3 and replace the splinterborn w/ 5 warriors w/ blaster in a venom in any case to turn battleforged.

haemy- venom blade (hide in the back away from everything)

9 x ravagers, 3 with triple dissies.

i've thought about that. Although I would go for 5 with DL, 4 with Dissies, for a 15/36 ratio.

And the thing is, i might have to knock it down to 8 because all of them will need FFs due to changes in Jink.

PainReaver wrote:

.... because all of them will need FFs due to changes in Jink.

Becareful with this statement, as it stands we must use our best save. If that continues in 7th we'll be forced to use the better Jink over our FF.

As for Unbound, my friends 40 Crisis Suit 2000 point list is keeping me amused with how I'd kill it.....Trueborn w/ Splinter Cannons in Venoms and 8 or 9 Ravagers lol....

Again unbound must be agreed upon. I dont see any broken lists getting face time unless people want to subject themselves to punishment.

On flickerfields consider that if snapshots are actually -2 BS which seems to make more and more sense with the latest revelations then jinking is very worthwhile, gaining a 4++ to hit on 5s..

Brom wrote:

On flickerfields consider that if snapshots are actually -2 BS which seems to make more and more sense with the latest revelations then jinking is very worthwhile, gaining a 4++ to hit on 5s..

They aren't, snapshots are the same as in 6th.

Okay looks like the consensus is that Unbound has to be agreed upon, rather than something you can just do.

Also with anything being scoring now, Grotesques, Incubi, Beast Packs have awesome potential.

They don't specifically say so, they leave it entirely up to you.

And everything is scoring now, but Troops have 'Objective Secured'. So, if your opponent is holding an objective with Troops, you can't just whoosh some reaver jetbikes on top of it and deny it.

Barking Agatha wrote:

And everything is scoring now, but Troops have 'Objective Secured'. So, if your opponent is holding an objective with Troops, you can't just whoosh some reaver jetbikes on top of it and deny it.

Can't you just use your Troop Venoms/Raiders for that now?

Mandor wrote:

Barking Agatha wrote:

And everything is scoring now, but Troops have 'Objective Secured'. So, if your opponent is holding an objective with Troops, you can't just whoosh some reaver jetbikes on top of it and deny it.

Can't you just use your Troop Venoms/Raiders for that now?

You're right! I hadn't noticed that.

For a battle-forged list, I take list 3 and swap out the Splinterborn (as much as i love the idea) and turn them into ordinary 5 man warrior w/ blaster or 5 wyches w/hwg (an idea that i just hate because its so unfluffy).

Here's one:

- Lelith Hesperax (Warlord)
- Lady Malys
- 4 x Incubi
- Illic Nightspear
- Maugan Ra
- Eldrad Ulthran
- Ahriman
- Celestine the Living Saint
- 1 x Stormraven Gunship