Soul Trap

Hi everyone!

Quick question regarding soul traps:
You get +1s for every wound in a challenge.. do overkill wounds that fall onto the unit count toward this as well?

Sorry for the newbie question!

Thanks!

If the wound is applied to an enemy character, then maybe. Otherwise, no.

Would you be able to explain why not?

As far as logic tells me, a wound caused in a challenge is still a wound caused in a challenge, regardless of whether it bleeds over into the unit after the challenger has died.

Again, sorry to be the new dude with the stupid questions!

The wording says for each unsaved wound in a challenge - so yes, kill the sarge with 3 unsaved wounds and you get +3S despite those wounds overflowing - IMO

actual wording:

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...for each unsaved Wound it inflicts in a challenge on an enemy character.

The spill over wounds are not inflicted on an enemy character (unless they spill over on another character)

But they are inflicted on an enemy character - the character then dies and they are resolved against the unit

You can only inflict one unsaved wound on the character, as there is no majority armor save and you have to roll wounds one by one.

As mentioned, the rule for Soul Trap specifically states that you gain +1S for each unsaved Wound inflicted in a challenge against a character.

The challenge rules for when a combatant is slain in a challenge state: "If a character that is involved in a challenge slays his opponent, each excess Wound inflicted by the victor is then allocated, one at a time, to the next nearest enemy model that is locked in the combat."

For there to be excess Wounds to inflict on the unit, those wounds have to have not been unsaved. If they were unsaved, there wouldn't be any excess to spill over. So, as has been said, you'll only get the +1S if the excess wounds get assigned to another character.

Fair enough, I stand corrected

Sorry everyone, I read the paragraph wrong originally..
I thought, for some reason, it said "or against an enemy character".

This being the case, how often would you see an enemy character accept a challenge from an archon? Not often?

It works pretty well with an agoniser and you manage to find a wraithlord wandering as its a character mc, just remember solo characters cannot deny challenges

Taffy10 wrote:

It works pretty well with an agoniser and you manage to find a wraithlord wandering as its a character mc, just remember solo characters cannot deny challenges

Doesn't a wraithlord have a 2+ armour?

3+

But he is hardly in use. Wraithknight is way better and not a Character.

Probably not often unless they think they can win. Even if they deny though, they sacrifice their own attacks, allowing the Archon to slice through the rest of the squad.

Klaivex Charondyr wrote:

3+

But he is hardly in use. Wraithknight is way better and not a Character.

So if you were lucky enough to score a wound on him with huskblade, he'd be dead instantly (what i mean to ask is: are they immune to instant death?)

Jimsolo wrote:

Probably not often unless they think they can win. Even if they deny though, they sacrifice their own attacks, allowing the Archon to slice through the rest of the squad.

Ah, so the soul trap is more of a double edged sword. One function is to buff the character, and the other is to play psychological warfare in making the player decide whether it's worth taking the chance of having to deal with a S7 Archon...
Deliciously evil.

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So if you were lucky enough to score a wound on him with huskblade, he'd be dead instantly (what i mean to ask is: are they immune to instant death?)

No they are not.

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Ah, so the soul trap is more of a double edged sword. One function is to buff the character, and the other is to play psychological warfare in making the player decide whether it's worth taking the chance of having to deal with a S7 Archon...
Deliciously evil.

Not really. There are only 2 types of leaders. The types that kill the Archon and will accept and the types who back out. Since wounds spill over into the unit anyways there is no reason at all to accept.

But if you decline the challenge, then you may not attack at all, correct? I have no issue with forcing an enemy character to twiddle their thumbs while their unit dies around them. Combined with the armour of misery, they are most likely running away.
Unless my brain isn't braining right today?

I guess that hurts the imperial guard pretty hard that they lose out another WS3 S3 attack...

Everyone kitted out for combat (which would be indeed a valuable target if they would back out) can potentially kill the archon and will accept. Models which decline are not useful in that combat phase anyways.
I think the only army in the entire game which actually powers up the archon is CSM. Because they HAVE to issue challenges.

Hmm, fair call.
Out of curiosity, are CSMin 40k as overpowered as WoC in fantasy?

Lol, no.

phew.

I have a fundamental hatred for anything chaos

Tzeentch daemons are what we really need to avoid, given that we have (without allies) virtually no defense against them.

They are immune to being shot at? We seem to alot of things to shoot

Can't shoot down a psychic attack.

How do you rate the adamantium will/perils of the warp helmet, then?