Almost Full DE rules w/ Picks

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or for easier viewing https://www.instagram.com/p/BUu0OWhg6Yi/  (doesnt have all the rules in this tho)

Some notes

Shadowfield is an ability the Archon has.
Hellions move 14"
Hit and RUn lets you charge after fall back
Reavers Grav-talon is the old Caltrops, and Caltrops is when enemy falls back.
PFP is cumulative! EDIT: Miss read
Transports are Incubi or others
Splinter Cannons are Assault 3, Rapid fire
Haywire is 4+ can do D3 and mortal wounds
Talos T6 7w's Explode
Incubi are 5-man now
Ossefactor is assualt 1, -3 wounds on a 2+ if it kills a model rolla 4+ then does a Mortal Wound
Beastpacks are 10-12" movement and if master is in combat beast re-rolls to hits
Haemi ability is Crucible of Malediction, +1T to cover with 6"
There is "Lightning Dodge" Succubus and Lilth gets 3/4+ Invul always (NICE!)
Urien is 4++ that can reroll if the Strength is less than 9
Shock Prows are just D3 HoW's :/
Drugs: Roll D6, or Pick 1 (if you pick 1 you can not have the same drug unless you have 7+ units)

Cheers, my first impression is.....I think my heavily themed splinter cannon army was just nerfed in half and wyches still don't look anything special.

Cronos looks good. if he inflicts a wound, a friendly model within 6" gains one back

Pfp bonuses are cumulative, theres small asterisk at the bottom of the list
Combat drugs differ by unit. Ugh.
Phantasm grenade launcher affects marines..
No haywire's on sybarite ; (

Sairaus wrote:

Pfp bonuses are cumulative, theres small asterisk at the bottom of the list
Combat drugs differ by unit. Ugh.
Phantasm grenade launcher affects marines..
Shredder shreds
No haywire's on sybarite ; (

Thanks i missed that about PfP, no HWG does suck, its less options

Hekatari blades gives wyches an extra attack each and bloodbrides three, with succubus nearby an extra attack, combat drugs can buff this further, so in theory you can give a squad of wyches 5 attacks each from turn two. That is pretty nice, if you ask me.

YOU CAN CHOOSE THE DRUG ON A UNIT (but not more than once unless all 6 are taken)

Damn the court have lots of wounds now

I did not see that, HOLY CRAP

Okay. I see Scourges and Bloodbrides... Where do you see the rest of it?

Sigmaril wrote:

Okay. I see Scourges and Bloodbrides... Where do you see the rest of it?

There are 3 entries, each one has multi images, click the Image arrows "left or right" NOT the page arrows.

Looking good, but the cost of everything will be the final determination as to whether or not they are worth it.

grotesques: any model may take a liquifier gun instead if cleaver

The choice of drugs for the units gives a cult based army an incredible buff.

I love the new court and now I have to get sslyths.

Hen Tai, the tentacle guy wrote:

grotesques: any model may take a liquifier gun instead if cleaver

Yeah i saw that too, can have a unit of Flamers at a high cost tho.

Logan Frost wrote:

The choice of drugs for the units gives a cult based army an incredible buff.

I love the new court and now I have to get sslyths.

Yep, looking at Hellions more and more now.

Is it me or the haemie get buffed every edition? 2+ Ws and BS, +1T to nearby coven, builtin poison and crucuble, 5++ instead of fnp (well he also gets the 6++ from pfp). 7"M isnt bad either.

Mononcule wrote:

Is it me or the haemie get buffed every edition? 2+ Ws and BS, +1T to nearby coven, builtin poison and crucuble, 5++ instead of fnp (well he also gets the 6++ from pfp). 7"M isnt bad either.

B.c no one played them b.c they were bad (sense 5th ed when they where 50pts and can take 3) 6/7th nerf them to hell. We only took b.c of Grots formation.

Im glad they got better otherwise not worth to take.

Ignore me

Done! Gob.

Tyvm, i will add to the top as well

looks like no more 4 missile fireworks on turn 2 with the razorwing. The missiles are now a single cannon with 3 choices of ammo.

We're basically 3 armies now. No mixing and matching units. Can't put a Succubus with my Grotesques anymore and Haemonculi don't buff Kabalites. Because what we needed was the same fracturing the AELFS have in AoS, that works so well for them.

Grotesques don't need a Succubus anymore, and you can still put them together, not that this benefits you in any way.

There is some serious ouch for me considering I just bought a big squad of reavers and they have been major nerfed! No more hammer of wrath for the squad? Cluster Caltrops in the form we know them are major nerfed...would you agree? BUT they now have 2 wounds...is jink still a thing and if so what does it do? If it's a modifier to hit then what's the draw back? Snap shooting?

Incubi look very good. They got nerfed on WS but gained an attack and the Klaive is perhaps a better weapon as it doesn't have the -1 to hit roll I was expecting which makes up for the WS nerf. These look like a deadly unit.

Splinter Cannons at first I was thinking oh dear major nerfed...but at 18" they will still be getting 6 shots which is still quite likely.

Wracks...well I like how they gained an attack while losing the benefit of two CC weapons because it means those you upgrade with ranged weapons still have the extra attack...but the liquifier gun isn't what I had hoped it would be, even tho it will seriously hurt Tau and IG.

Mandrakes ranged weapon is pretty good and they will have loads of attacks in CC...but they no longer get great saves in cover being replaced with -1 to hit and 5+ invul and no longer cause fear? Shame.

After looking over the new rules I think my original ideas will need to be tweaked. Really interested to hear what you guys think of reavers now.

Wait so our flyers now have unlimited ammunition on their missiles and bombs? Yes I know, only one per turn though.

Logan Frost wrote:

Grotesques don't need a Succubus anymore, and you can still put them together, not that this benefits you in any way.

And that's the problem. I liked mixing and matching units to buff them, now it's pointless at best and a detriment at worst. As I said, there's literally no reason to diversify now. It's going to be Ironjawz all over again.