Bladevanes and raiders/ravagers/reavers

Hello everyone. This is my first post here so please forgive me if this has been asked before.

My question is, say I charge in with a Raider, which has a statline of S6 and like 3-4 attacks, cant remember off the top of my head.

The weapon profile for the Bladevane specifically says S4 AP-1 D1

Can i forgo my attacks with the Bladevanes to attack with just the base vehicle strength? I know I would be losing the -1AP but the additional 2 strength might make up for is in some scenarios ( I dont know the mathhammer behind it if someone is willing to do it more power to you)

If so would it be worth it?

Thanks!

Here is the faq on Chapter Apporved. I think it is a yes that you have a CC weapon to use the vehicles S stat with.

Page 183 – Choose Melee Weapon
Change the second sentence to read:
‘In addition to their other weapons, all models are
assumed to be equipped with a close combat weapon,
which has the following profile:’

Close combat weapon Melee Melee S User AP - D 1

As for what conditions you want to eschew Bladevanes:
T3 Bladevanes wound 2/3 CCW 5/6 (+25%)
T4 BV 1/2 CCW 2/3 (+33%)
T5 BV 1/3 CCW 2/3 (+100%)
T6 BV 1/3 CCW 1/2 (+50%)
T7 BV 1/3 CCW 1/3 (=)
T8 BV 1/6 CCW 1/3 (+100%)

Save 2+ Bladevanes unsaved 1/3 CCW 1/6 (-50%)
Sv 3+ BV 1/2 CCW 1/3 (-33%)
Sv 4+ BV 2/3 CCW 1/2 (-25%)
Sv 5+ BV 5/6 CCW 2/3 (-20%)
Sv 6+ BV 1 CCW 5/6 (-17%)
Sv 7+ (or Invul) BV 1 CCW 1 (=)

Then combine the change in wound rate and unsaved rate to see if you are better off with the CCW. For example, against a Terminator, you would gain +33% from the wound rate and lose -50% from the save rate, so Bladevanes are better, and against a Sslyth, you would gain +100% from the wound rate and lose 20% from the save rate. Against most targets the CCW will win out.

The cases where Bladevanes win:
T3 with 2+ or 3+ saves (e.g. Incubi)
T4 with 2+ saves (e.g. Terminators)
T7 with any non-invulnerable save of 6+ or better (e.g. Rhino)

So in what situations would you go with the str 6 weapon then? T8 or above probably
T3 blobs with no save


Whoops, didn't read trough

FaytSealsU wrote:

Here is the faq on Chapter Apporved. I think it is a yes that you have a CC weapon to use the vehicles S stat with.

Page 183 – Choose Melee Weapon
Change the second sentence to read:
‘In addition to their other weapons, all models are
assumed to be equipped with a close combat weapon,
which has the following profile:’

Close combat weapon Melee Melee S User AP - D 1

I missed that! Must try to remember it!