New Ynnari Rules

Soulless Samurai wrote:

As a question, do you think making Soulburst +1 to Wound instead of +1 to hit would have made it overpowered?

I ask because that would have made it not useless on all characters, and also not completely redundant with PfP.

There would have potentially been some very strong interactions - there are quite a lot of Eldar units that have stuff like "do bonus mortal wounds if you get a 6+ to wound".

Overpowered, though? Probably not, but I think GW were playing it on the safe side since the goal of this rework was pretty clearly to hamstring the Ynnari as a faction.

Burnage wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

As a question, do you think making Soulburst +1 to Wound instead of +1 to hit would have made it overpowered?

I ask because that would have made it not useless on all characters, and also not completely redundant with PfP.

There would have potentially been some very strong interactions - there are quite a lot of Eldar units that have stuff like "do bonus mortal wounds if you get a 6+ to wound".

Overpowered, though? Probably not, but I think GW were playing it on the safe side since the goal of this rework was pretty clearly to hamstring the Ynnari as a faction.

You're probably right. It's just depressing to see DE constantly crapped on.

It's not just that +1 to hit is weak, it's that it's worthless for our entire army from turn 3 onwards, and useless for every character (including the Ynnari ones) from turn 1 onwards.

The only things in the DE codex that have abilities that could benefit from +1 to wound would be a Hungering Blade Archon, Lhameans (who could potentially hit on 2s, wound on 2s and mortal wound on 3+) and the Klaivex from each incubi squad. Not exactly units that would shake the meta.

Gizamaluke wrote:

The only things in the DE codex that have abilities that could benefit from +1 to wound would be a Hungering Blade Archon, Lhameans (who could potentially hit on 2s, wound on 2s and mortal wound on 3+) and the Klaivex from each incubi squad. Not exactly units that would shake the meta.

If anything, I'd say those are all units that could do with the boost.

Yeah, and it would take some doing to get off (3 units killed each turn) and would only affect melee, so yeah pretty balanced imo.

Gizamaluke wrote:

The only things in the DE codex that have abilities that could benefit from +1 to wound would be a Hungering Blade Archon, Lhameans (who could potentially hit on 2s, wound on 2s and mortal wound on 3+) and the Klaivex from each incubi squad. Not exactly units that would shake the meta.

Add in the multiple ways to get Doom-like effects and it starts to get a bit better looking. Meta shaking? Again, probably not, but GW seem like they were being very cautious here.

It's still averages out at most like 2 mortals from an archon, one attack with 2D per klaivex and 2 mortal wounds per lhamean which is decent

I saw somewhere the idea of running a Wraithseer with shroud relic and the regen wounds WL trait...

Tired it out yesterday in a friendly game. Wow. They thing is a tank to bring down. It was harder for my opponent to kill than my sword and board wraith knight.

What I found, was that wraithlords and the wraithseer love being ynnari. Getting to hit on 2's for them, re-rolling one's was a gem. While not top-tier meta, I do now feel that wraiths are playable.

Yeah 1/2 damage and a 5+++ with regen on a 3+/5++ is good.

Only thing there is that 2 sources of 5++ seems a bit redundant.