1000pt starting list.

SO i'm start up my DE again after finishing modelling my BA's and just want something different to paint.

I'm open to C&C

Lelith Hesperax - 175

5 Kabalite Warriors in Venom 2 Splinter Cannons - 125

8 Wyches - 206
Hekatrix - Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Razorflails
Raider
Flickerfields

8 Wyches - 206
Hekatrix - Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Razorflails
Raider
Flickerfields

Ravager Flickerfield - 115

Razorwing Fighter - 170
2 Dark Lances
1 Monoscythe
3 Shattershard

Comes to 997

NOT trying to be uber competitive with this list just have some fun smashing face, Play against Necron, Tyranids and Chaos (Wouldn't mind beating on the Chaos)

Help welcomed

Currently have 2 Venoms 10 Warriors and a Archon got myself some ££ to spend on models so i'm trying to build this up thinking of picking up 2 Raiders, 2 Boxes of Wyches and Lelith in the next week or so

If you cheapen out that razorwing down to 145, and make Lelith a regular Succubus with an agoniser, (use the Lelith model at your leisure) you can exactly afford a second ravager with night shields.

Just a thought.

Ythillan wrote:

If you cheapen out that razorwing down to 145, and make Lelith a regular Succubus with an agoniser, (use the Lelith model at your leisure) you can exactly afford a second ravager with night shields.

Just a thought.

This is dynamite advice. You'll get far more mileage out of the second Ravager for sure. I love the Lelith model, but she's still in the blister for a reason. (And I love to paint beautiful sculpts!) She really is a TON of points to sink into one model at 1,000pts. The rest of the list looks good though. A lot of people on this site prefer shardnet/impaler, though I like razorflails(killing stuff is fun )

The advice about running Lelilth as a Succubus was what I was going to say

The general concern I see with the army is you have a lot of it built to kill infantry (Wyches, Razorwing, Venoms, Lelith) and not very much built to hurt mech (two Raiders, Ravager, Warriors) That could be a big problem if any of your foes use even a fairly aggressive pile of mech because lances are not that great at popping vehicles.

I support the Razorflails - especially since you're running the Wyches to kill, not to play around with the foe.

Thanks will have a play around with it.

I like to try and build up the lists so that the elements are the same 1000-1500-1750-2000 etc.

I agree lelith probably is a little point heavy.

I was going with the Razorwing as it has the two DL's and which is only 1 less than the Ravager and its a better looking model and more variety was planning on the 2nd ravager as 1500 and leaving the Razorwing to give me AV and AI in 1.

But i suppose i could do it the otherway round and have the 2 Ravagers and the Razorwing and add Lelith and the extra missiles back in at 1500

How many points do you guys run in your HQ Slot? Would 325 be too much at 1500? I'm thinking of adding in the Duke at 1500 pts?

bymis wrote:

How many points do you guys run in your HQ Slot? Would 325 be too much at 1500? I'm thinking of adding in the Duke at 1500 pts?

It really varies - looking at the last few 1500 lists I made I appear to run somewhere between 60-225 in HQ slots at 1500.

Ok so the 1000 point list looks like this.

Succubus (85pts)
Splinter Pistol and Agoniser

Kabalite Warriors (125pts)
Blaster, 5x Warriors In Venom with Splinter Cannon

Wyches (200pts)
9x Wyches Razorflails, Hekatrix + Agoniser Raider + Flickerfield

Wyches (200pts)
9x Wyches Razorflails, Hekatrix + Agoniser Raider + Flickerfield

Ravager (115pts)
Dark Lance (x3), Flickerfield

Ravager (115pts)
Dark Lance (x3), Flickerfield

Razorwing Fighter (155pts)
Dark Lances (x2), Monoscythe Missile (x4)

Total - 995

Question is where do i spend the 505 points next to build upto 1500?

2 Squad of Blaster Born in Venom 2 SC's - 146
1 Squad of Wyches - 200

Could have 2 Blaster Squads and 1 More Wych Squad and maybe add ethersails or some missiles to the Razorwing

Means i have

Infantry
1 Succubus
27 Wyches
11 Warriors
9 Transports

Weapons
11 Dark Lances
8 Blasters
3 Venoms
4 Missiles

I think this could be a hell of a lot of fun to play with CC please

I think you are on the right track with both your list, and your next 500 points. My only complaint is if you drop the razorwing to a ravager w/ flickerfields you could fill out those wych raiders, but that is just me and I know alot of people love that model

Currently how it stands, I would lose the razorflail and get the extra wych on the squads the succubus isnt going to be in, the extra body helps alot.

Thanks, i love the model so will aim to build the army with that then potentially buy another ravager and expand it a little.

Hmm seems like a solid idea for the saves.

Actually in damage their the same

Was thinking about Swapping up the Wyches for a 10 Man Warrior Squad in Raider to have a little shooting that's 195 pts.

I love warrior raider squads, and support them in everyway. But 195??? are you adding the sybarite??? Normally you dont need him, as they shouldnt be needed. Although if that 10 points is nightshields than I approve

If you do that it would give you 10 points total left over, which could be used for maybe something else on the Razorwing... or a vehicle upgrade or two.

Yep that 10 points is the Flickerfield and Splinter Racks to get more shooting in there.

I could then use the points for some more of the missiles etc etc

The more i look at it the more i'm preffering the Kabalite Warriors I mean 10 with Blaster in Raider + Flickerfield - 175pt.

So what about this?

Duke Sliscus - 150

Dukes True Born (x4) - 143
Venom Splinter Cannon

Blasterborn (x3) - 146
Venom Splinter Cannon

Blasterborn (x3) - 146
Venom Splinter Cannon

Wyches - 195
Hekatrix + Agoniser, Razorflails, Raider + Flickerfield + Sails

9 Kabalite Warriors - 166
Blaster, Raider + Flickerfield

9 Kabalite Warriors - 166
Blaster, Raider + Flickerfield

Ravager - 115
3 Dark Lances

Ravager - 115
3 Dark Lances

Razorwing Jet Figther - 155
Nightshields

1496 - Total

Gives me the same basic shooting profile as my previous list but increases the shooting to include 18 Splinter Rifles and only having 1 CC Squad.

I don't see this as an issue as i think that CC squads i should be able to shoot the hell out of them.

Also with the duke i can DS the whole army if needed also my Duke Born squad is seriously nasty vs Infantry 12 Wounds and 4 SM Kills

Going to have a think about adding the next 250 pts.