Our Codex is confirmed! - *** summary as of Sept. 29 in OP ***

Darklight wrote:

Nope I got no problems with their prices. I accept that if a company wants to use local labor they need to pay the price for it. And the local community takes advantage of it as it makes jobs.

Yeah, GW makes jobs... hence their firing a ton of their staff.

I've been fascinated by GW's and to be fair other companies price increases. Although a number of things have caused GW to lose some profit lately I think GW has proved that the market will bear quite a bit when it comes to high end prices. I think the $100+ USD introductory box sets, and to a degree single models that hit or come close to that figure, are pretty much the norm across multiple companies now. What I'll be interested in discovering is how this affects new customer entry and correspondingly long term sales.

They could make the same amount of money by selling more models at lower prices.
ex: I bought two (2) boxes of 10 Chaos Hounds to make my 20 khymera beastpack. Total Cost (FR prices) = 40€
The Chaos hounds are not extraordinary models but they remain cheap and affordable.
The Khymerae model is good, but for 20 models, Total Cost = 155€
Assuming the Khym models were about 20€ for 5 instead of 15,50€ for 2, I may have bought them...

The reason they changed to plastic/resin instead of metal is at first an economical issue, but also because it was very easy to recast some metal models due to easy-to-duplicate "two parts" mold.
Plastic is fine and remain cheaper than metal when manufacturing in high numbers. Cost of design vs cost of manufacturing.
As a comparison, a military model kit (US Army M113 APC, same scale) costs the same price as a rhino, so to me the prices are OK with the industry level... for this model.

So their price policy is only based on:
"selling less but at higher prices (LVMH, Chanel, FW luxury products)"
versus
"selling more but at lower prices (Tesco, Carrefour, Wallmart)"
The first category opens the gate to counterfeiting and recast (hello chinese friends!). The second category induces that the commercial approach has to be renewed as often as possible to intice new customers, and to build customer loyalty.

Trust in their products quality and increasing prices slowly but surely, this is their policy.
They may change their mind while competition is severe with other great quality products from other brands... It seems to be working until now but things can change.

One day we may have a "GW low cost miniatures" range, in order to compete with other suppliers...

The voidraven may be a bit overpriced, but if you have a look at plane model kits (1:35 or 1:32 for instance), you can compare prices with other "specialists" models.  See an example here
The problem with GW models is that they are needed "en masse", which costs a lot in the end. (hello Apocalypse! remember v2 when you could play with about 20 models and two vehicules?)

Sorry for disgression..

So back on topic......

My local retailer today denied any knowledge of when a Codex is being released.
He even checked his order information as well, and has not even been given the option of ordering some in yet.
Hurrah for strange release schedules!

average joe wrote:

I've been fascinated by GW's and to be fair other companies price increases.  Although a number of things have caused GW to lose some profit lately I think GW has proved that the market will bear quite a bit when it comes to high end prices.  

I'm not so sure.

GW has been cutting costs across the board, raising prices and releasing new models and rules much faster - and its profits are still declining. To me, this is an indicator that a lot of people aren't willing to pay their excessive prices.

average joe wrote:

 I think the $100+ USD introductory box sets, and to a degree single models that hit or come close to that figure,  are pretty much the norm across multiple companies now.

Except that you end up paying a lot more than ~$100 to start 40k. I mean, let's break it down:
- £50 for the rulebook
- £30 for an army book
So, we're already at £80 and we haven't even bought a single model. Oh dear.
Now, we're looking at another £70-130 or so for a battle box (which, in many cases, don't come with an HQ). But wait, did you buy the IG battle box? And, would you like plasmaguns or meltaguns on your troops? Well then I hope you're ready to fork out even more money for specialist models, because those two troop squads in the box don't have a single plasmagun or meltagun between them.
So currently, we're averaging about £180 ($295), and we still haven't bought any paints, brushes, scenery or anything else. And, after all that, our army is barely over 500pts.

As it stands, 40k is just far too expensive for most people to even consider starting. Likewise, even for existing players, the cost of starting a new army is prohibitively expensive.

The other aspect is that GW does not give good deals anywhere. It's not like some companies where you might pay a lot for models, but get the rules for free. No, they charge excessive prices for absolutely everything - regardless of quality.

The final aspect is that it's not even as if GW is a 'nice' company. They write awful rules, their site is literally nothing more than a webstore (which somehow cost $6800000), and they do everything they can to alienate their customers and avoid any kind of feedback.

LSK wrote:

They could make the same amount of money by selling more models at lower prices.
ex: I bought two (2) boxes of 10 Chaos Hounds to make my 20 khymera beastpack. Total Cost (FR prices) = 40€
The Chaos hounds are not extraordinary models but they remain cheap and affordable.
The Khymerae model is good, but for 20 models, Total Cost = 155€
Assuming the Khym models were about 20€ for 5 instead of 15,50€ for 2, I may have bought them...

Did exactly the same and with a few tyranid bits they even look better in my opinion...

https://i.servimg.com/u/f39/19/00/82/94/kyhmer11.jpg

Your khymerae looks awesome Charondyr! I need to rework mine, and I think i'll steal your idea with Tyranid bits

I just hope they will still be useful in the new codex.

I use Khymerae models from non-GW source. IMO they look far more deadly than the original.
https://imgur.com/4R7eZnf

Korwey wrote:

I use Khymerae models from non-GW source. IMO they look far more deadly than the original.
https://imgur.com/4R7eZnf

Where did you get that?

Where is that model from!? I don't own any beasts yet intend to when the ne dex comes put if they haven't ruined them.
i remaining optimistic that the changes will be good!

Looks like a puppetswar barghest model. They do look fantastic and I might get some for use as flesh hounds in an allied list.

Yep, its from Puppets war.
http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=260

Anyone else think the missile pods on the bottom of the Voidraven are implosion missiles? They dont look like any of the other missiles we can take at the minute. Hopefully they have a points reduction.
Would also be nice to be able to change out the void lances for some beefed up dissies, like the ones on the Tantalus.
Would love the alternate fire to be brought back for our dissies too!

I believe they are mines, not missiles.

I dont believe that Voidraven will keep lances. Batrep says it has some template weapons, similar to wraithguard weapons.

It has lances that will pen every vehicle in the straght line and leave d6 voidmines when moving flat out and there is too much hype and anticipation for me ;P

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment... :-P

But I am excited tooooo... :-D

via Inkub from the Faeit 212 comment section
Directly from WD, following weapons are mentioned in context of Voidravens:
Void lances
Dark scythes
void mine
darklight weapons
10 IG killed by void mine

Additionally:
Shatterfield missiles (cone-shaped ones)
Implosion missiles (barbed ones)
Void mine have option to be mounted lowered or stowed beneath the hull.

however i saw 10 guardsman safe and sound after a hit necrotoxin... , with 2+ cover after GtG, hopefully this new bomb is min ap5 ignore cover than

Dark Scythes oooooooh yeah!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4750737485/

link above for extra pictures, the Voidmine is there as well, some extras as well...hint hint a new Succubus model and the new plastic Archon

I know what's in the 3th week BTW, 99,99% sure

Week 3, Pre order on the 4th :

-Plastic archon, multiple options from what I've seen so far, I've seen a lot of bitz I've never seen before on any other kit. I know kabalites or wyches won't be updated, meaning those bitz can only come with the archon.
-new succubus, if you check the picture you can see a succubus with the same seapons as the old one, the same arms, but everything else is different. Now plastic or finecast, unsure. This could also be a conversion, however I know for a fact a new Succubus will be released.
- third big release: you can get very excited for this one: Vect + Dais
0 pictures yet, 0 clue what it will look like, I'm expecting something extremely awesome. Vect is a lord of war btw.



BTW another interesting bit on apoc battle report: all dark eldar get FnP on turn 3, fearless on turn 5. A global power from pain it seems. Not many rules are mentioned in the battlereport from what I know.

Khain mor wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4750737485/

Thanks to the link, I'm glad to know that the digital codex would be released at the same time with the hardcover one. I'm ready to purchase & download it in 1 sec

Seems like I'm not on the internet for two days and I've missed out on loads of rumours and leaks!

Just catching up on the Voidraven, looks freakin' sweet, do we know if it's a normal flyer, or a Super Heavy one? It looks quite bulky in comparison to the Razorwing, just wondering if anyone's read the battle report and knows if it could be Super Heavy?

It's highly unlikely for the flyer to be a super heavy. They haven't listed a super heavy in a regular codex so far.

Well so far it looks like Power From Pain isn't random, so that makes me happy