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PostSubject: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 07:05

This list is something of what I belive can be good, and what I want to play.

Now I am a highly competitive player, however, I am sick of Venom and serpent spam (have both).

Achon with WWP (this might be changed to haemonculi)
Autarch med Fusion gun, Bike, Mantle of teh Laughing god, Laser lance, Banshemask

10x Warriors med 2x Splinter cannon i Raider med Dissi og spliner rack
5x Warriors
3x EJB

5x Scourges med 4x Haywire granades
5x Scourges med 4x Haywire granades
Razorwing with DL
Razorwing with DL
Razorwing with DL
6x Warpspiders

Voidbomber with Scyte
Wraithknight


Basically I am going to deploy the Autarch, and sometimes the Wraithknight depending on oponent. Also I have the option to deploy Scourges, Warpsiders, gunboat and warriors if terrain and oponent allow for it.

Now the Autarch have Stealth and Shroud and a bike aswell as reroll of cover saves, now this gives him 2+ reroll save. Also he adjusts the reserves roll to a 2+ which means I will get most of the stuff on the table.

As a "competitive" player I want to rely on stuff that gives me teh same output game after game.

Scourges are picked with Highwire because they generate 2,2 HP for each group, now if I got 2 groups thats 4,4 Hullpoints and thats enough to take down Land Raiders, Bastions and most of the veichles. Another Scourge unit will just get wasted against most other lists, even tho it would be good against knights and Chaos.

Gunboat is great against monsterous creatures.

Archon or DE HQ, will give WWP to whatever needs it the most, be it gunboat or warpspiders or whatever it is. I quickly adapt to others list and are not afraid to do changes that people might not expect.

The flyers is there to bomb the heck out of horde, and I want flyers, and they are great really when you got the rest of the army as a 2nd turn threath aswell. basically the army is built around the flyers.

Wraithknight is good against everything and I love playing with him.

Warp spiders I hate playing with, and properly are going to change for something, but they are just to good to pass on.

C&C are welcome! Not tested the list, going to tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 07:50

I like the list. I am looking into Eldar allies for competetive tournaments if I can't find a good mono DE.
One of my suggestions is to drop the Bomber. You already have 12 missiles on the razorwing fighters which will be enough to handle any hordes. The bomber is redundant, expensive, av10 and still has to prove itself on the table for me. Throw some grots with your archon or something. I would swap that Autarch with a Farseer. That way you can have two in your face monster groups that has support from a BA psycher. The grot bomb with Archon and farseer support will run over things. But if you want to keep him open to get a WWP where needed then you really couldnt go wrong with another SC boat with racks.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 08:01

Its_Rumble wrote:
I like the list. I am looking into Eldar allies for competetive tournaments if I can't find a good mono DE.
One of my suggestions is to drop the Bomber. You already have 12 missiles on the razorwing fighters which will be enough to handle any hordes. The bomber is redundant, expensive, av10 and still has to prove itself on the table for me. Throw some grots with your archon or something. I would swap that Autarch with a Farseer. That way you can have two in your face monster groups that has support from a BA psycher. The grot bomb with Archon and farseer support will run over things. But if you want to keep him open to get a WWP where needed then you really couldnt go wrong with another SC boat with racks.

Thanks.

The Autarch is a must, you need the reserve manipulation in this list, there just is no way around that. Either its a Autarch or its a beastion with coms. The autarch have 2+ rerollable coversave as I said above which is crucial to survive that turn 1 with so few models on the table. Aswell as he have Melta S8 pistol, and S6 AP3 i CC with hit and run, and he will strike first. He is a beast that will soak up alot of fire.

Bomber yes, I know, I just want to try it. As a competitive player myself I cant justify bringing it other than "I want to"... This is a list however he might do well in, as everythign is comming turn 2, so just use your shots on my flyer, doesnt really matter. But points will be spent better in other choices, there are NO doubt. (For example Wraithguards)

Grots, I am going to try them, and they might be the right fit for this list, however I dont WANT to bring units that NEED the WWP to be able to perform. This is also the reason I dropped Wraithguard and Fire Dragons. I want options. but you might be right on this one.

Yeah, and dropping the bomber for another SC boat is a option. hmmm... Might just drop spider to get another SC boat...

Thanks for your C&C i appriciate them.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 08:09

I think you're better off swapping those Warpspiders for that boat then. Drop both that and the bomber and Viola You could pop two venoms with warriors in them. Or a Raider in the last FA slot and another Gunboat. Thats all around 300pts ya?


Or a Gunboat and a Haemon with another WWP. If your really trying to abuse WWP wouldnt it make sense to get another?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 08:21

Its_Rumble wrote:
I think you're better off swapping those Warpspiders for that boat then. Drop both that and the bomber and Viola You could pop two venoms with warriors in them. Or a Raider in the last FA slot and another Gunboat. Thats all around 300pts ya?


Or a Gunboat and a Haemon with another WWP. If your really trying to abuse WWP wouldnt it make sense to get another?

yea you are right that another gunboat is better and get that heami with WWP, aswell as I get more units on the ground that actually can score in layerd missions (Eternal war+Maelstorm) that are going to be played at the event I am hopign to use this at.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 08:28

Two Raiders with splinter racks nightshield 9 warriors and 1 SC is 370, 1 venom with 4 warriors and 1 blaster is 120, you can get 3 venoms with 3 blasters for 360, just something to think about since your AT is kind of hurting. The smackdown those RZWF are going to give is going to be pretty substantial.

Although concern. You have 10 warriors with 2 splinter cannons? and then just 5 warriors?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 08:42

Its_Rumble wrote:
Two Raiders with splinter racks nightshield 9 warriors and 1 SC is 370, 1 venom with 4 warriors and 1 blaster is 120, you can get 3 venoms with 3 blasters for 360, just something to think about since your AT is kind of hurting. The smackdown those RZWF are going to give is going to be pretty substantial.

Although concern. You have 10 warriors with 2 splinter cannons? and then just 5 warriors?

Not concerned about AT. Razorwing, Scourges, Wraithknight will handle that fine.

The 5man warrior group was more there to fill tropps

EDIT: Heck, even the Autarch will POP a veichle a round.
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PostSubject: Re: 1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike   1750pts Dark'kins Alphastrike I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 08 2014, 10:53

Where's the Archon going to go?
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PainReaver wrote:
Where's the Archon going to go?

Depends on who i play against. might be warriors (know I have 1 to much, to be changed), might be Scourges, Might be Warp spiders etc. It just depends on the matchup.
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