Boatmounted 1750pts

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

Here's a draft for a 1750 pts army. What I'm going for is a fastgoing, wychdominated close combat list.
My local opposition is mostly marines, as usual. My initial thoughts are to drop the Reavers for a squad of 5 scourges with 2 Haywire blasters, but I feel the Reavers match my theme better.

Quote :: Archon (Shadowfield, Agoniser, Combat Drugs, Haywire Grenades)
130

8 Incubi
Raider (Darklance)
251

10 Kabalite Warriors
Darklance
Raider (Darklance)
175

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance)
230

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance)
230

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, razor flails.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance)
230

6 Reavers
2 Heatlances
156

Ravager (Nightshields)
115

Ravager (Nightshields)
115

Ravager (Nightshields)
115

1747 pts total

Thoughts?

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Thu Jun 23 2011, 17:37

- Archon (for 20 more points you can get the duke)
- 2 incubi (8 is overkill, 6 will get the job done just fin)
- warriors (DL in squad is useless, loss of 2 lances for more AI shooting isnt such a big loss)
- NS on Ravs (48"-6"=42", 42">36' nuff said)

+ FF on Ravs
+ Duke (is great for a cult based list, deploys with TB)
+ Aethersails on Wych Raiders (get those wychs in close)
+ NS on Wych Raiders (keep them safe while getting in)
+ TB x 4 (adds some much need anti horde shooting, wychs are good but big hordes can tie them up too long. shoot some down first)
Carbine x 2
Cannon x 2
Venom
w/ ex Cannon
Night Shields
153

total 1746

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

I was considering a Trueborn squad, my main concern is my ability to hold objectives with only the three wych squads. How would having 5 incubi in a venom, and 4 TB+duke in another venom work

Also, NS on raiders? Would the 6inch really matter that much for something that's boosting forewards?

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

Quote :: Duke Sliscus
150

5 Incubi
Klaivex
Venom (2 splintercannons, Nightshields)
200

4 Kabalite Trueborn
2 Shardcarbine, 2 Splintercannon
Venom (2 splintercannon, Nightshields)
153

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightshields)
245

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightsshelds)
245

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, razor flails.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightshields)
245

6 Reavers
2 Heatlances
156

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

1739 pts total

Updated with the suggestions. I like this list, I think I prefer Raiders to Venoms but I see their value. I also dropped the incubi to 5 instead of 6, and put them into another AI venom, and gave them a Klaivex to compensate for them not having the Archon in their unit.
I also like the aesthetic symmetry of having 2 venoms, instead of the one.

Thoughts?

Edit: I'm considering using the spare points to give the Reavers an Arena Champion for the extra point of Ld.

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Thu Jun 23 2011, 19:31

Since I dont see anything else for 11 pts (or 26 by dropping the unnecessary Klaivex) yeah giving the reavers a bit of leadership is fine. Oh and gauntlets are better on reg wychs than flails. i would make all three units the same.

Your list now is so much more balanced as an all comers list. I like it a lot.
12 Lances
2 Heat Lances
1 Lance Pistol
6 Splinter Cannons (2 @ poison 3)
3 Tarpits
1 Hammer

14 KPs (about norm for DE at this point size)
3 Scoring Units
6 Fast Contesters

If you ever want to go to 1850 I suggest doing it by
- Klaivex
- Arena Champ
- 2 x Aethersails
- NS on Venoms

+ Reavers x 6
w/ 2 Heat Lance

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

I've noticed gauntlets are better, I built one squad with razorflails because they looked cool, I'm contemplating tearing those arms off. as for klaivex, is +1 attack and +1 Ld really that unnecessary? I suppose 15 s4 WP attacks on the assault hits hard enough... I just have bad experience with LD8 (former IG player)

As for other points, I'll be fielding on occations 1000 pts and 1500 pts armies, 1500 being the most likley, the next stage up will most likley be 2000 pts, where I'm considering another wychsquad in a raider, the 245 kind, wich'll cover all the cost.

What about Scourges? I have 10 of those built with 6 carbines and 4 cannons, what're your thoughts on that unit? Alternatively, with haywire blaster, perhaps one or two squads of 5/2?

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Thu Jun 23 2011, 20:13

Scourges 5 w/ 2 haywire blaster is the general consensus on how to run them

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

Quote :: Duke Sliscus
150

5 Incubi
Venom (2 splintercannons, Nightshields)
185

4 Kabalite Trueborn
2 Shardcarbine, 2 Splintercannon
Venom (2 splintercannon, Nightshields)
153

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightshields)
245

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (Agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightshields)
245

10 Wyches
Hekatrix (agoniser), Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets.
Haywire Grenades
Raider (Darklance, Aethersails, Nightshields)
245

6 Reavers
2 Heatlances
156

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

Ravager (Flickerfield)
115

1724 pts total

As written, I have 26 pts to spare. I'm considering replacing the reavers with a 5man Scourge squad with 2 haywire blasters. Good antitank, and if all else fails, 9 splintershots. Doesn't have the killing power of a heatlance, but my main concern is stopping the cannons on longrange anti-tank stuff.

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Fri Jun 24 2011, 17:29

If you do that your left with 52 pts to spare. Which gets you what?

A naked Haemie (PT somewhere)
3 Mandrakes (not an real option lol)
5 wracks (to objective camp?)
5 warriors w/ shredder (again not a real option)
3 TB w/ a blaster (umm no)
5 wychs (worthless on their own)
2 beast masters w/ 1 khymera and 1 razorwing flock (waste of points)
FF on your Raiders and NS on 2 Ravs (so far the best option)

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 131 Join date : 2011-06-13

What targets do you see the Incubi focusing on as compared to the Wyche squads?

The reason I ask is the single SN&I in your Wyche squads. I'm not a huge fan of them by no means but even less when you only buy half way in. If you are going to send the Incubi against the multi-attack (usually more heavily armored) unit(s) to take advantage of thier power weapons, then what do you expect to send the Wyches against?

I look at it as either:
x2 SN&I
x2 HG
or no upgrades and save 20 points per squad.

So best case what could 60 points and the other 52 get you (112)?

2 Beastmasters with 4 Flocks, and 2 Khymerae
5 Hellions w/ Helliarch and Agoniser
or something else.....(will check back later, need to jet for now).

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

That's very simple, the kit supplies you with one SN&I per 10 wyches. I don't really feel like trying to convert a second one, besides, I've found the kitup to be quite effective with just the one.
As for the Incubi, they're one of the most awesome looking minis in the range, and effective mechanically to boot, so they'll be a constant. The only thing I'd consider consering Incubi, is finding space for 5 more. I suppose I'll toss them against elite CC units, with their decent init, good save and powerful attacks.
the wyche squads are my only objective claiming units, so in 2/3 games, that's what they'll focus on. In killpoints, I find Wychsquads to be effective against everything except 30man orc mobs and their ilk.

Hellion Posts : 80 Join date : 2011-06-23

Following this theme, how would you downsize this list to 1500? I would prefer to keep the incubi and the duke. Perhaps dropping a ravager and the reavers/TB's?

Dread Pirate Posts : 910 Join date : 2011-05-19

My thoughts

the trueborn are not ideal equipping them with the splinter cannons. You would be better off using all shardcarbines and flying around in the venom. Or as an alternative you could make a trueborn gunboat in a raider. 10 trueborn with carbines wounding on 3+ is going to get some attention and do a lot of damage to anything on foot.

personally Trueborn are ideally equipped with blasters. You may not like it or it may be so common, but it works. I converted blast pistols onto splinter rifles to get a few extra blasters.

Wych weapons, I'm not a fan. You have 60 points tied up in those weapons plus the aethersails. I think you could almost get another 3 reavers with a heat lance for that, which I think would be better. The wych weapons have never really panned out for me, when compared to other options in the DE list.

I prefer Flickerfields on the raiders, but I think personal preference is the way to go, its in how you play it.

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Tue Aug 09 2011, 22:05

Hey,

Main concern with list is the number of troops. You got 3 units of wyches that are supposed to both act as tarpits and hold objectives for wins. You really need more then that. Cut down points overall and invest in 1-2 more troops so you have a chance against someone who locks your 3 wychsquads then just ride the game out and score in the right moment.

Change the trueborn back into warriors. lets say you bring 5 warriors with blaster in venom. Then you can either add another one of those or 3 wracks in a venom to just have more troops.

Subject: Re: Boatmounted 1750pts Tue Aug 09 2011, 22:25

^ is right. As good as TB are, a Scoring unit is worth more imho.

Also this might just be me being a MSU fanatic but 10 guys a ride seems like asking for trouble. Cutting them down to minimum size and spending the gains on more Troops will likely yield better results.

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