Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked

I really hope the seer can pick a bike. I can definately see that one going along with my Reavers. They're almost always removed by some Ignore Cover barrage....

Sigmaril wrote:

I really hope the seer can pick a bike. I can definately see that one going along with my Reavers. They're almost always removed by some Ignore Cover barrage....

I saw rules for Seer\Jester on Italian. They can`t use bykes for sure (at least my friend speak-all-kinds-of-human-languages told me so) Oh, and they got, like, 6 formations!

And i still don`t get it: how can we use space clowns? only as Undound Army or what?

A Shadowseer riding on the back of a Skyweaver would be so freaking awesome.

Devilogical wrote:

And i still don`t get it: how can we use space clowns? only as Undound Army or what?

You field them as allies using one of the Harlequin's formations, the same way you do with the Coven supplement's formations. They just can't be fielded as a CAD or Allied Detachment without a HQ option. Allies doesn't necessarily mean Allied Detachment.

Picked up the formations from ZeroNoryouki over at WarSeer:

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The formations are awesome! I'm Italian so I can traslate them for you if you like. This is the first one:

1) 3 Troups, 3 DJ, 3 SS, 1 Solitaire, 2 units of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers
Restriction: none
Special rules:
- outstanding performace (you may reroll inv saves of 1 for all the models of the formation)
- emissary of Cegorach (if the troup master is your warlord, you can reroll his harlequin's warlord trait)
- pressing Crescendo (from the beginning of turn 2, all units in this formation with the Fleet special rule can Run and Charge in the same turn) <-- this is huge!

PS: Crescendo is a musical term so i'm leaving as it is

Edit: the other 5..


2) 3 Troupes, 2 units of Skyweavers, 3 Starweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:
- each Troupe must take one of the formation Starweavers as a Dedicated Transport

Special rules:
- emissary of Cegorach (if the troup master is your warlord, you can reroll his harlequin's warlord trait)

- the aerial walk (one Troup from this formation can use his Hit&Run to embark in a free Starweaver from this formation. If the Hit&Run rolled distance is enough to move all models within 2" of the Starweaver the Troupe can embark immediately. If a consolidation movement is enough to move all models within 2" of a free Starweaver from this formation the Troupe can embark immediately) !!!


3) "company of actors"
1 Troupe, 1 DJ, 1 SS

Restrictions:
- all models from this formation must deployed as a single unit. DJ & SS can't leave the unit

Special rules:
- crusader
- heralds of the Laughing's God (any models with the Eldar or Dark Eldar faction (friend or foe) within 6" from one or more models of this formation gain the crusader special rule)


4) "Cegorach's jest"
1 Troupe, 1 unit of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- pressing Crescendo (from the beginning of turn 2, all units in this formation with the Fleet special rule can Run and Charge in the same turn)

5) "way of heroes"
1 DS, 1 SS, 1 Solitaire

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- Infiltrate
- shrouded
- stealth
- a lonesome path (models from this formation cannot join other units and no one can join them)


6) "Faolchu's Blade"
2 units of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- the Wings of Faolchù (you may reroll failed cover saves while jinking with units of this formation)


Let me known if you need any clarification on the leaked DJ & SS pages

Edit2 : I'm reading on another forum (GW Tilea) that "pressing Crescendo" if the special rule for the Harlquins' detachment. The other rule is "emissary of Cegorach"
Last edited by ZeroNoRyouki; 14-02-2015 at 20:25.

Also, Shadowseer is only ML 1, with a 25 pt upgrade to lvl 2. Getting these powers off reliably may need some CWE assistance for boosted warp charge dice.

niiiceeeee run and charge 25points for 1 lvl is pretty standard cant hurt that much for these powers are amazin, way of heroes seems nice just poor shadowseer cant veil of tears some friends :/ falchous wing is nice combo with shrouding or the other weil for 2+ reroll on the glassplanes. This far it seems prety pretty sweet. Now i just hope the Webway walker lets me infiltrate some Taloi/Wraithlords

I have a question about the rose, when the solitaire attacks do all of them use shred our just the kids of death.

I'd say all , assuming you choose shred instead of caress.

Warlord Traits:

Common for all. Shadowseers and Death Jesters roll D3 on this table, Troupe Leaders between "Light", "Twillight" and "Dark", and roll a D6:
1) the warlord reroll all to-hit of 1 (shooting & cc) and all saves of 1
2) 4+ inv for the the warlord
3) the warlord and his unit can add 1" every time they move (movement, running, charging, fall back, regroup, hit&run, consolidation, sweep etc etc)

"Light" AKA Deceiver
4) you can add 4 to any roll to steal the initiative
5) before deployment, choose up to D3 units from your primary detachment. every unit gain one of: deep strike, infiltrate, scout (choose as you like)
6) immediately after deployment and after scout moves, you can remove from the table your warlord and/or up to other D3 friendly units with the Harlequins faction within 12" of the warlord. Any units removed this way may immediately deployed using normal deployment rules or put in Reserve

"Twilight" AKA Trickster
4) if the mission use variable length, you can add or subtract 2 to the roll to determine if the game ends
5) any to-wound roll of 6 made by the warlord in close combat (or any to-wound roll of 5+ while making a Kiss of Death attack) gain the Instant Death special rule
6) once per game your warlord and his unit can make a "mirror leap" instead of moving: they can move 24", moving over other models and terrains like in open terrain but cannon end over other models or in impassable terrains. They cannot charge in the same turn

"Dark" AKA Troll.
4) enemy units in base contact with the warlord or his unit must roll an additional D6 while taking Fear or Morale tests

5) at the end of the game, before declaring the winner, you can move one time only your warlord and his unit like in the movement phase, than they can run or shoot like in the shooting phase, and, next, if you so desire, can charge and fight a single turn of combat like in the assault phase (the adversary can overwatch and fight normally). If your warlord is locked in combat at the end of the game, he and his unit can only choose to fight an additional turn of combat. If the warlord unit is embarked, it can disembark but the transport cannot move or shoot. After the warlord and his unit have done this extra action the game end (finally I may say...)

6) if your warlord is removed from play while in a challenge, the players roll out immediately: if you win the roll out or if it is a tie the adversary of your warlord is removed as well

Izaeus wrote:

I have a question about the rose, when the solitaire attacks do all of them use shred our just the kids of death.

Typically, special rules on weapons only apply to attacks made with that weapon, so you can choose to attack with the Rose and all of them will have Shred, but it means no attacks with the Caress. While if you attack with the Caress, one of your attacks will still be a Kiss of Death (per the wording of that special rule), but all without Shred.

Those are pretty sweet warlord traits! Looking forward to this codex.

Can bikes run? cause the run and charge thing in the formations seems pretty cool, but if it is only one unit of Troups then it is pretty meh.

I like the re-roll cover when jinking formation

colinsherlow wrote:

Can bikes run?  cause the run and charge thing in the formations seems pretty cool, but if it is only one unit of Troups then it is pretty meh.  

I like the re-roll cover when jinking formation

bikes turboboost so they cannot run its the troops

Wow the death jester is awesome (yay for being able to read italian).

Death is not enough: When he causes a wound to as squad that squad has to take a leadership test as if they suffered 25% casualties at -2 to their leadership. The death jester's controlling player can choose the direction they fall back in during this phase (if they continue to fall back in subsequent turns they fall back towards their table edge as normal).

Anyone remember the old lash of submission?

hahhaha that would make a fun run for a 50men conscript squad to run into the caring love of the taloi

Am I the only one that really doesn't like the formations? If I want to field a small selection that's anything other than these really niche ones, there's no way of doing so other than having to grab more troupes for that ridiculously oversized, 500 point minimum detachment. The closest one to anything I'd want to run is the Cegorach's Jest one, and that doesn't even let you have characters.

Panic_Puppet wrote:

Am I the only one that really doesn't like the formations? If I want to field a small selection that's anything other than these really niche ones, there's no way of doing so other than having to grab more troupes for that ridiculously oversized, 500 point minimum detachment. The closest one to anything I'd want to run is the Cegorach's Jest one, and that doesn't even let you have characters.

Yeah I'm not thrilled either. Wanted to run an elite shoe box harlequin army without vehicles, and it looks like the basic detachment forces me to take vehicles...

*looks at harlequins* Hm.... I'd like to take a troupe and a shadowseer. lolnope, gotta buy another two troupes, a void weaver and two fast attack choices.

That Masque has WAY too many mandatory detachment slots. 3 troops, two FA and one Heavy as mandatory is absurd. I'm hoping there's a second detachment, but not counting on it. At best there might be a way for them to modify the traditional Allied detachment. Frankly, it just reeks of a blatant cash grab by GW... "people will want to buy these, but that's not good enough... let's force them to have to by LOTS to get them on the tabletop".

+EDIT+ Mush, you can get away with just one vehicle. But that's still not ideal.

Really excited about the release. But I am disappointed that there isn't a way to take harlies as just allies, and a little sad about the 500 point "troupe" tax.

I'm thrilled about this release. I don't mind the tax at all... it looks like they are actually trying to make people dedicate to the army instead of cherry picking it. I know that doesn't work for a lot of people but I'm totally willing to alter my standard list to get these guys in. I just love the rules... its gonna be an army that drives people nuts when taken as a primary detachment.

I'll probably take formation 4 so long as I can give them a transport. It has every flavor from the codex and the run+charge which I miss so so dearly. Color me stoked.

Honestly who knows if they will have a different detachment or rules in the codex vs white dwarf allowing us to use allied detachment or something... No more complaining about this till rules in hand

Panic_Puppet wrote:

*looks at harlequins* Hm.... I'd like to take a troupe and a shadowseer. lolnope, gotta buy another two troupes, a void weaver and two fast attack choices.

Or you could take the Company of Actors and only have a DJ tax.

Cavalier wrote:

I'll probably take formation 4 so long as I can give them a transport.

The Troupe have access to Starweavers as a dedicated transport, so I fully expect you can give them that.

The Company of Actors is the perfect, tiny formation. And if it's too small, just take 2 of them.

Since DJ's and SS's are in pretty much every formation, it stands to reason that there is probably some significant benefit to having them with your Troupes, in the way of synergy and tactics. Maybe the Troupes are not nearly as effective without them. Sure GW wants to sell more models, but as they are sure to know, people don't buy many models unless they have the rules to justify their use.

The big question to me is, are they going to release a Great Harlequin and give us some HQ? They might just be holding back on it for model reasons and will release it later with a rules supplement containing more formations. We know there's at least one more wave, since they haven't put the new DJ and SS for pre-orders...

*EDIT*
Can someone post the wallpaper, please? I signed up for the newsletter, but I'm not getting anything.

question about the Death Jester. Guess we will have to wait for the book to come out, but I figured this is worth a mention

Does a unit only have to check Moral once a phase? or could multiple DJ's hit the same unit to cause it to test multiple times?

"An enemy unit that suffers one or more wounds from the DJ in a shooting phase must immediately take a morale check as though they had taken 25% casualties, at -2 LD. If they fail the test, the DJ chooses in which direction they flee. If they continue to flee in subsequent rounds, they fall back towards their own table edge as usual."

And can you still make an enemy unit take a test at the end of the phase for taking enough causalities?

Sorry don't have the BRB on me to check

Well, the really interesting thing is that if the first DJ causes the unit to fall back and you shoot another DJ at it and cause a wound, it automatically falls the second morale test. According to the BRB, "Units that are Falling Back automatically fail all morale tests..." Would this mean you can force them fall back even further?

And yes, I believe they would still have to test at the end of the phase if they lose 25%...which they would automatically fail if they already fell back...(?)

The mind! She boggles at the trolling possibilities!

Haha! The question is does a unit only take one moral test for taking 25% casualities during the shooting phase. Therefore you just get the test out of the way earlier and do not at the end of the phase. Or do they only take that 25% test once at the end of the and can take multiple tests during the normal part of the shooting phase? I am probably sounding like an idiot, but I am having a sick day from work and don't care.

Would just like to know before I go ahead a buy 3 DJ's