Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked

I predict formations to be huge point investments, and if they care at all for Eldar and Dark eldar plaers a formation of a jester a shadowseer a troupe master and like 5 harlequins

@ Grimcrimm- Seriously man don't worry. You're going to able to ally them with DE/CWE. The absence of the HQ slot is nothing to worry about. I guarantee you page 2 or 3 of the actual codex will say Harlies are BB's with Eldar/Dark Eldar. The White Dwarf is just a scouting report for potential buyers, its not the whole deal.

Cavalier wrote:

@ Grimcrimm- Seriously man don't worry. You're going to able to ally them with DE/CWE. The absence of the HQ slot is nothing to worry about. I guarantee you page 2 or 3 of the actual codex will say Harlies are BB's with Eldar/Dark Eldar. The White Dwarf is just a scouting report for potential buyers, its not the whole deal.

We already know that they are BB with Eldar and Dark Eldar from the WD articles. The issue is that without an HQ option you are limited to whatever formations and other detachments are provided in the codex or WD. Thus far, we've seen only one such detachment and that carries a minimum point value of roughly 450 points.

The minimum is 500 spot on

If I read the solitaires rules right he can't join a unit with another character but could join a unit that doesn't have one.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

If I read the solitaires rules right he can't join a unit with another character but could join a unit that doesn't have one.

He can't join any unit because he's not an Independent Character. His rule is there to stop ICs joining him.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

If I read the solitaires rules right he can't join a unit with another character but could join a unit that doesn't have one.

This was covered earlier: he's not an IC so can't join other units.

Edit: Bah, ninja'd.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

If I read the solitaires rules right he can't join a unit with another character but could join a unit that doesn't have one.

He can't be joined by an independent character and he can't join a unit because he is not an independent character.

The Solitaire is very much solitary.

6 Formations 1 will be the standard loaded FOC or combination of the other 5 but that's 5 formations that will potentially add you Harlequin allies a lot easier than the Harlequin FOC.

Shadowseer powers, and black library items leaked. From aracersss on faiet

http://m.imgur.com/a/Y0n3X

5 formations!

Really excited about those! Those, and the Black Library Artifacts

Edit: the Enigmas are in the link too.

Wow Im really liking some of these psychic powers!

Artifacts looks nice. A bit bummed that the shrieker canon is only assault 1 even though the bio rule remedies

Yeah the mirror of minds combined with that mask could be pretty brutal. Even more so if you get armor of misery in range too.

I got excited by Crescendo until I saw Solitaires couldn't use it. Imagine that on a blitzing Solitaire.
Edit: bah, wouldn't actually work when blitzing anyway.

Am I the only one who finds Laugh of Sorrow incredibly funny?

"First, you roll a LD, If you fail, you take wounds. Then, You roll LD again, If you PASS, you take wounds."

Also love the hallucinogen grenades.

Also, Coven formations give -1ld each.

I like the webway walker quite a lot

I'm giggling like a servant of the laughing god right now at the psychic powers....

I run DE as an archon bomb, dropping LD debuffs in a blob and popping the Archangel of Pain and Phantasm Grenade launchers to blow up the enemy. These Shadowseers are making me want to run a shadow council of 6 shadowseers.

When my main opponents are Grey Knights and Tau, the amount of LD debuffs I could throw out onto the enemy is STAGGERING. -2 from mask of secrets, -2 from Armor of Misery, -4 from Scalpel Squadron Nearby. If I activate the Archangel, all non ATSKNF armies are taking massive casualties.

Against single targets, I can shoot the focussed witchfire Mirror of Minds at a Riptide or Dreadknight and if it passes, INSTANTLY REMOVE THAT MODEL. If I have this on multiple Shadowseers, I am removing a lot of high value targets.

Mirror of Minds is like purge Soul, roll D6, compare LD, if i match or beat, you take a wound no armor or cover. If I win, we do it again until you beat me or you're dead. since you CANNOT beat me, you essentially keep rolling your invulns (even a 2++ re-rollable) until you fail them all and die.

BOOM

I have a question,

If you had the mirrors of the mind warp power, and you somehow managed to reduce the targets LD to 4 (hmm, how might you do that) and suggesting the seers LD is 10, does this not lead to the roll off becoming pointless, and your opponent simply removing his model?

Armour of misery, masque thing from harlies and a coven formation in a venom with a Haemonc? That's -6 right?
From LD 10....


Ninja'd both had the same thought

You get -1 LD for each coven formation you're within x" of, not each unit. If lets say you're within X" of both scalpel squadrons from the same formation, you get -1 LD, but if you're within x" of two scalpel squadrons from two different scalpel squadron detachments,  you get -2 LD. If you're within x" of four scalpel squadrons from two different scalpel squadrons formation , you still get -2 LD.

Very cool combo just the same

MarcoAvrelis wrote:

You get -1 LD for each coven formation you're within x" of, not each unit. If lets say you're within X" of both scalpel squadrons from the same formation, you get -1 LD, but if you're within x" of two scalpel squadrons from two different scalpel squadron detachments,  you get -2 LD. If you're within x" of four scalpel squadrons from two different scalpel squadrons formation , you still get -2 LD.

This has been discussed before, and I don't think these LD debuffs stack. The reason is that the units all posess the Freakish Spectacle special rule, and a special rules never stacks with itself.

That said, a Grotesquerie unit with an Armor of Misery HQ and Shadowseer with Mask of Secrets still provide a -5 debuff...

Yeah, I'm thinking a Grotesquerie with AoM-toting Succubus combines REALLY well with the psychic powers 5 and 6.  I think leadership debuffing as a strategy may change from kind of a fun gimmick, to something that is pretty viable now and which your opponents might actually have cause to worry about.   Mask+Freakish Spectacle+AoM is a -5 even without any other Coven detachments or further Eldar psychic debuffing.  This could be absolutely brutal to lower leadership armies (say yer prayers, Tau).

I just officially got excited about the new Harlequins. Damn you, GW. Hasn't my wallet had enough???

@Count_Adhemar - Ok sorry bout that. Man the FOC can be convoluted at times.

Wow the synergy between Eldar and Dark Eldar is crazy with this book. The powers seem to intentionnaly overlap with some of the odds and ends of both codices. I can imagine a 3 detchment Eldar/Dark Eldar/Harlie army revolving around the Leadership penalties with Rangers, Spirit Seers, Shadow Seers, Hemlocks and Armor of Misery.

Super fun, very good gear, powers and units. Looks like it'll be a bit challenging to play but still very rewarding. Also Shrieker Ammo is back! And it looks awesome!

You guys all realize that all this Ld-debuffing fun would also have worked with your average Psychic Scream, right?

@sigmaril - Yes, very true.  Running a combined Eldar/DE/Harlie force with Psychic Scream, the  new Harlie powers, and DE Ld-debuffing gear may be borderline unfair to some armies

Also, the Harlie Primaris power may be good to use against non-Drop Pod armies, depending on deployment scenario,  you just brazenly set up 24 inches away (factoring in for their first turn movement), out in the open, and laugh as their entire army stares at you with impotent rage.  Could be a good null deployment strategy.