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+5Hovey Bleaksoul Brethren Mr Believer Ispa Its_Rumble 9 posters |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sat Mar 28 2015, 22:42 | |
| I wanted to Field a vehicle spam fun but cheese list, I thought about 3 at 2k, Im actually going to do the 1st list a few times for fun (I need 2 more venoms and 2 more Raiders). There are 3 lists. These are for fun, but also good ideas for everyone to think about. This is basically MSU lists that could actually do well... but again its cheese 2000 points 1 FoC Raider Realspace== HQ ==Archon: Venom +SC Court Lhamean: Venom +SC Archon: Venom +SC Court Lhamean: Venom +SC == Elite ==Trueborn x5: Venom +SC Trueborn x5: Venom +SC == Troop ==Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Raider +DL Warriors x5: Raider +DL Warriors x5: Raider +DL == Faster Attack ==Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL == Heavy Support ==Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Total: 21 Vehicles - 9 Venoms - 9 Raiders - 3 Ravagers Ok lets see if we cant make it more cheese!2000 points 2 FoC Raider Realspace OMEGA CHEESE!!!Both FoCs just in 1 view to make it easier == HQ ==Court Lhamean: Venom +SC Court Lhamean: Venom +SC == Troop ==Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Venom +SC Warriors x5: Venom +SC == Fast Attack ==Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Raider +DL Venom +SC Venom +SC Venom +SC Venom +SC == Heavy ==Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Ravager +DL x3 Total: 23 Vehicles - 10 Venoms - 7 Raiders - 6 Ravagers Ok... Now for the unbound stupidness2000 points - 28 Vehicles - 10 Venoms - 10 Raiders - 6 Ravagers | |
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Its_Rumble Sybarite
Posts : 481 Join date : 2014-04-04 Location : CA
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sun Mar 29 2015, 06:18 | |
| That's a lot of shooting for sure. take out 650 points and put in the corpsethief claw formation with ichor injectors and just lulz away. | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sun Mar 29 2015, 12:54 | |
| - Its_Rumble wrote:
- That's a lot of shooting for sure. take out 650 points and put in the corpsethief claw formation with ichor injectors and just lulz away.
But that completely defeats the purpose of pure vehicle spam | |
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Ispa Hellion
Posts : 89 Join date : 2014-07-31
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Mon Mar 30 2015, 01:14 | |
| if you are spamming vehicle i would house your warriors in raiders only as the NS and SR help them perform a little better while the venoms can sit 36" away with no crew and still be very effective.
Just my 2c | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Mon Mar 30 2015, 02:09 | |
| - Ispa wrote:
- if you are spamming vehicle i would house your warriors in raiders only as the NS and SR help them perform a little better while the venoms can sit 36" away with no crew and still be very effective.
Just my 2c I dont play NS or SR The meta in my area makes NS completely Pointless and I never felt that 15pts for SR was worth it at all, With NS and SR on 4 Raiders (30pts extra per units comes to 120pts) I can get 2 Venoms or Raiders for that price or a Full another unit. This isnt a debate Im going to have, after many many MANY games playing with and without NS/SR I wont play them any more on "Gun Boats" I empty 1 or 2 with NS or LoS Blocks or board control I will do time to time tho. | |
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Its_Rumble Sybarite
Posts : 481 Join date : 2014-04-04 Location : CA
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Mon Mar 30 2015, 03:38 | |
| I never run NSs on ravagers I prefer aether sails for the mobility if something jinks then just move it for board control instead. If i have a CC unit that I need to survive i'll put NS on it for either the WWP or the turn where it's going to be exposed.
If you are serious about this list I believe that you need dissies on the raiders or some of the ravagers. You have a decent amount of poison shots and too many lance shots. some AP 2 would go a long way in this list. | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Tue Mar 31 2015, 18:24 | |
| - Its_Rumble wrote:
- I never run NSs on ravagers I prefer aether sails for the mobility if something jinks then just move it for board control instead. If i have a CC unit that I need to survive i'll put NS on it for either the WWP or the turn where it's going to be exposed.
If you are serious about this list I believe that you need dissies on the raiders or some of the ravagers. You have a decent amount of poison shots and too many lance shots. some AP 2 would go a long way in this list. I was actually thinking about that, having 1 Dis Cannon Ravager wouldnt be a bad idea. | |
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Mr Believer Wych
Posts : 727 Join date : 2011-09-11 Location : Nottinghamshire, UK
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Tue Mar 31 2015, 18:56 | |
| Disintegrator Ravagers are a lot more flexible than they appear at first glance - mine regularly mows down elite infantry and blows up vehicles in the same game. With 36" range and lances everywhere else, it's not hard for it to get shots on side or even rear armour. You'd definitely get similar mileage. One dissie Ravager per three is probably not a bad number. | |
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Bleaksoul Brethren Sybarite
Posts : 252 Join date : 2014-09-02 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Tue Mar 31 2015, 20:31 | |
| I normally run 13 vehicles 7 venoms 6 ravagers/ reapers along with either eldar allies (with their flyers) or soon to be nid allies with 3 flyrants. | |
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Hovey Slave
Posts : 18 Join date : 2014-10-15 Location : South Dakota
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Wed Apr 01 2015, 15:15 | |
| In your one force org chart list, I come up with 2020 points, am I missing something?
(125 each archon, 75 each Llamian, 120 each trueborn, 110 venom warriors, 105 raider warriors, 60 each fast attack raider, 125 each ravager)
250+150+240+330+315+360+375= 2020
(easy enough fix, make one ravager 3x disintigrator, and one raider 1x disintigrator) | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Wed Apr 01 2015, 17:39 | |
| - Hovey wrote:
- In your one force org chart list, I come up with 2020 points, am I missing something?
(125 each archon, 75 each Llamian, 120 each trueborn, 110 venom warriors, 105 raider warriors, 60 each fast attack raider, 125 each ravager)
250+150+240+330+315+360+375= 2020
(easy enough fix, make one ravager 3x disintigrator, and one raider 1x disintigrator) I used Army builder and 1st list is 1990 on it, other 2 are at 2k. So If something is wrong its with Army builder. Archon + venom 125 x2 = 250pts L+Venom = 75 x2 = 150pts HQ total = 400pts Warriors x5 + Venom = 105 x3 = 315 Warriors x5 + Raider dl = 100 x3 = 300 Troop Total = 615prs Trueborn x5 + Venom = 120 x2 = 240 x6 Radiers DL (60pts) = 360pts x3 Ravagers x3 dl 125x3 = 375 Comes to 1990 | |
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Hovey Slave
Posts : 18 Join date : 2014-10-15 Location : South Dakota
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Wed Apr 01 2015, 19:40 | |
| Figured it out, had Warriors at 9 points each, they are actually 8. So 1990 is right.
I still like the idea of one raider with disintegrator, and one disintegrator ravager,
Leaving 30 points, could either give each archon a Blaster, or change Llamians into Eye Beams. | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Wed Apr 01 2015, 21:31 | |
| - Hovey wrote:
- Figured it out, had Warriors at 9 points each, they are actually 8. So 1990 is right.
I still like the idea of one raider with disintegrator, and one disintegrator ravager,
Leaving 30 points, could either give each archon a Blaster, or change Llamians into Eye Beams. Yeah I think I would do something lke 1 Dis raider and ravager. | |
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Agrajag Slave
Posts : 6 Join date : 2015-04-02
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Thu Apr 02 2015, 09:33 | |
| oh man,
I would like to see the look on your opponents face when he takes a look on that list...
You should try to convince him/her that you can use the old dex where raiders still could get a flickerfield - make it just a little more cheesy
It's a bit insane but I would love to play that list
flickerfields on raiders R.I.P We will always miss you | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Thu Apr 02 2015, 20:56 | |
| - Agrajag wrote:
- oh man,
I would like to see the look on your opponents face when he takes a look on that list...
You should try to convince him/her that you can use the old dex where raiders still could get a flickerfield - make it just a little more cheesy
It's a bit insane but I would love to play that list
flickerfields on raiders R.I.P We will always miss you ATM I have 5 Venoms, 5 Raiders and 3 Ravagers. I am painting for some friends in exchange for venoms and radiers. Hoping in 2 weeks I will have 20 vehicles I will have them Primed and play with them with Pics as soon as I can. | |
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SERAFF Sybarite
Posts : 259 Join date : 2013-02-12
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Fri Apr 03 2015, 09:10 | |
| The second variant lacks characters to be a warlord. It's better to take a Sybarite just to get a trait | |
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Tattooudrew Hellion
Posts : 63 Join date : 2014-11-29
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sun Apr 05 2015, 03:35 | |
| if i were to do venom spam which i might for upcoming local tourney cuz theres a few cheese players.... i would like to point out it is possible to put 17 venoms in a list if you take every possible option 2 hq, 6 troop 3 elites 6 fast attacks. the venoms alone would come out to 1105 with the upgrade splinter cannons, so I'm sure you can find a way to make a nice 1850 list with truborn dark lances archons with blasters and reg lab warriors with a blaster in each venom......... venoms alone would get anywhere from 136 to 192 shots of poison 4 at 36 inches not including whatevers shooting from inside them. that is a STUPID amount of gun fire that can wreck ANYTHING with a toughness value if you just focus them down and force a ton of saving throws. killing priority targets first obviously,and you could honestly just ignore armor probably and grab objectives and win that way if you can't buy all the lances and blasters or w/e... nasty stuff.
edit- just a thought, you can take out the dark lances and put another 6 splinter cannons on your truborn lol | |
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Tattooudrew Hellion
Posts : 63 Join date : 2014-11-29
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sun Apr 05 2015, 03:42 | |
| so i just made that list and its 1880 with all the blasters and DL so you can decide what 20 points you want to drop but ya...... 17 venoms in a 1850 list | |
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amishprn86 Archon
Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio
| Subject: Re: Vehicle Spam more than you know Sun Apr 05 2015, 04:55 | |
| - Tattooudrew wrote:
- if i were to do venom spam which i might for upcoming local tourney cuz theres a few cheese players.... i would like to point out it is possible to put 17 venoms in a list if you take every possible option 2 hq, 6 troop 3 elites 6 fast attacks. the venoms alone would come out to 1105 with the upgrade splinter cannons, so I'm sure you can find a way to make a nice 1850 list with truborn dark lances archons with blasters and reg lab warriors with a blaster in each venom......... venoms alone would get anywhere from 136 to 192 shots of poison 4 at 36 inches not including whatevers shooting from inside them. that is a STUPID amount of gun fire that can wreck ANYTHING with a toughness value if you just focus them down and force a ton of saving throws. killing priority targets first obviously,and you could honestly just ignore armor probably and grab objectives and win that way if you can't buy all the lances and blasters or w/e... nasty stuff.
edit- just a thought, you can take out the dark lances and put another 6 splinter cannons on your truborn lol This may be true but my local plays more mech lists, And anything more than 8 vemons is too much, Honestly I might only play with 6 venoms and do the rest as Raiders/ravagers. | |
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