Heamonculus Coven Tactics

Your tactic is going to change based on the mission and the opponents you are facing. Since you will almost always be out manoeuvered by other lists, I would suggest ti play the objective and soak your opponents' fire since all your units are going to be hard to shift.

If you need to put pressure on your opponent, Shove the Gort in his face turn and, and hope the survive to charge on turn 2. The Wracking being on foot, you need to keep them well hidden to score objective (a 5 man squad will get shot off the table if caught in the open). Meanwhile, move your CTC forwards and hope to catch something or deny a large area of the map.

Deamon wrote:

Your tactic is going to change based on the mission and the opponents you are facing.  Since you will almost always be out maneuvered by other lists, I would suggest to play the objective and soak your opponents' fire since all your units are going to be hard to shift.

If you need to put pressure on your opponent,   Shove the Grots in his face turn and, and hope the survive to charge on turn 2.  The Wracking being on foot, you need to keep them well hidden to score objective (a 5 man squad will get shot off the table if caught in the open).  Meanwhile, move your CTC forwards and hope to catch something or deny a large area of the map.

With "play the objective" you probably mean for me to take a more defensive approach right? Place the Wracks in cover and on an objective?

From what I understand is that I can either prevent Line Of Sight towards the Wracks when I place them hidden behind the Talos, OR at the very least, the Talos can provide a cover save for the Wracks, right? And with the 4+ FNP they should survive a little longer, long enough to continue being those annoying long ranged pests that make infantry explode and hurt the rest of their unit.

So I could either have the entire blob off Talos, Cronos and Wracks move together, the Talos counting as a shield, or just drop the Wracks somewhere behind cover while I go hunt with the CTC.

Are you trying to infer from the rules that multiple shots from Soulfright weapons will require multiple tests?

You can only force one test for soulfright weapons. Otherwise it would be said ' for each weapon'. Reading in different languages shows that they intended that each squad can only take one test each turn.

Not to mention that if you use this tactic against any marine, other than chaos, they will not be affected. This is the reason I do not use this style of attacks.

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JackKnife01 wrote:

Not to mention that if you use this tactic against any marine, other than chaos, they will not be affected. This is the reason I do not use this style of attacks.

Look at it like this: the top 3 armies competitively, (Tau, Necrons, CWE) aren't immune. It's like worst case scenario-insurance.

Yeah my interpretation of the soulfright rule was wishful thinking based on logic considering that whichever causes the soulfright must be some form of drug and we all know, the more drugs you take, the more wasted you get, so I only thought it to be logical that you would have to take more LD tests, but I guess logic never was GW their cup of tea.

But anyway, it's not the core of my army to rely upon soulfright at all. It's there, just as the Crucible's to provide me with extra/alternative options against enemies, because I want to be prepaired for anything possible on a tournament, as much as a Haemonculus Coven army can be of course.

a few ideas (I'm not a pro):

Wracks minimum size is now 5 iirc

AT is not the strengh of Coven, and you wont have problem against 2+ armor (Talos and Cronos are MC and ossefactors are AP2). For this reason I think the greater range of haywire blasters may be more useful than heat lances.

I'm not sure that all theses liquifiers, acothysts and nightshields are well used points. You can spend these points better by giving venoms or DL raiders to your wracks. A little more shooting (AI or AT) is always useful, and mobility is also welcome in a rather slow list.

Thank you Mononcule. Despite that you are not a pro, neither am I and I decided to consider the thoughts of the Haywire Blaster anew. I ended up removing 2 Heat Lances and replacing them with Haywire Blasters just to get a little extra anti vehicle kick.

I also removed some Grotesque's (and their Liquifier Guns) out of the equation (which also helps kicking in that Rampage earlier on) to make room for Aberrations with Agonisers AND Venom transport for the Wracks.

I updated the initial post with a new list.

With regard to your grotesques, have you considered putting all the liquifier guns into one unit?

With liquifier guns being so pitiful, it just seems you'd be better off concentrating them - rather than relying on just 2 to do anything meaningful.

Although, to be honest, I'd rather drop the liquifier guns and have an extra grotesque in each squad. I've found units of 3 grotesques to be a bit dicey. But, maybe that's just me.

The Shredder wrote:

With regard to your grotesques, have you considered putting all the liquifier guns into one unit?

With liquifier guns being so pitiful, it just seems you'd be better off concentrating them - rather than relying on just 2 to do anything meaningful.

Although, to be honest, I'd rather drop the liquifier guns and have an extra grotesque in each squad. I've found units of 3 grotesques to be a bit dicey. But, maybe that's just me.

I have not considered putting them all in one unit. Might be an interesting idea actually. Still with only 2 shots, i'd have 50% chance to score an AP3 or less result, but then you'd still have to triumph the STR4 vs Toughness "X". I kinda like them having those Walls of Death even if it doesn't always come out useful.

At first I had 4 grotesque's per unit, BUT, with 4 grotesque's and 1 Haemonculus, you'd have 5 models in the unit and with only 4 models, I can basically charge any other unit and always count on Rampage to kick in.

omkara wrote:

At first I had 4 grotesque's per unit, BUT, with 4 grotesque's and 1 Haemonculus, you'd have 5 models in the unit and with only 4 models, I can basically charge any other unit and always count on Rampage to kick in.

That's true but, realistically, how many 5-man squads are you likely to need rampage against?

The Shredder wrote:

omkara wrote:

At first I had 4 grotesque's per unit, BUT, with 4 grotesque's and 1 Haemonculus, you'd have 5 models in the unit and with only 4 models, I can basically charge any other unit and always count on Rampage to kick in.

That's true but, realistically, how many 5-man squads are you likely to need rampage against?

TEQ

But in all seriousness, the Liqufier Guns vs high STR and heavy Armour don't do that much, but to help them survive larger groups of lesser enemies such as GEQ ithe liquifier guns suddenly become a lot more interesting.

And this is a list that needs to be versatile enough to be able to handle any possible threat.
I'm not going to assume that I`ll be tournament winner at all, but I want to at least stand a reasonable chance with the Coven.