Played against New SM book..... Im done with DE for now.

The other possibility is that GW goes out of business before it can release 8th or update any 7th edition books.

Our current codex could be the last one we ever get, and isn't that a sobering thought?

The Shredder wrote:

The other possibility is that GW goes out of business before it can release 8th or update any 7th edition books.

Our current codex could be the last one we ever get, and isn't that a sobering thought?

UN-possible. Some other company would buy the IP, and we'd get a new dex eventually. Possibly with all Eldar elements in one place, but still.

In regards to 7th ed codeci's not having a redo yet, they did knights and knights had a 7th ed codex.

GW wont go out for at least 5-10 more years.

They still are making profit, they are redoing Fantasy to try and make more from that, If it works they will be in business for a long While.

Didn't read all the comments, but I welcome the challenge. I see this like in the early days of DBZ when Goku trains in heavy gravity so that when he gets out in normal gravity he's bowse.

JackKnife01 wrote:

In regards to 7th ed codeci's not having a redo yet, they did knights and knights had a 7th ed codex.

The original Knights codex was 6th ed.

nexs wrote:

Didn't read all the comments, but I welcome the challenge. I see this like in the early days of DBZ when Goku trains in heavy gravity so that when he gets out in normal gravity he's bowse.

I like a challenge too..... but having Unit that can Charge turn 1, having up to 500pts free and then having the Full army ObjSec is not a challenge.... its not even fair.

It is dumb. Someone I know likened it to this. GW is doing what Warmachine does. Make everything op and hope it stabilizes. Except one problem. Warmachine does it better.

amishprn86 wrote:

I like a challenge too..... but having Unit that can Charge turn 1, having up to 500pts free and then having the Full army ObjSec is not a challenge.... its not even fair.

From what I've seen, the formations required to get these bonuses makes players take things that aren't necessary. It's not as bad as the liberal dose of strength D from eldar and the 4++ army wide for the necrons.

It's not even objective secured. It's even better because it trumps other objective secured squads.

They can harness the warp on twos. They do eldar better than eldar. Can summon daemons better than daemons.

nexs wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

I like a challenge too..... but having Unit that can Charge turn 1, having up to 500pts free and then having the Full army ObjSec is not a challenge.... its not even fair.

From what I've seen, the formations required to get these bonuses makes players take things that aren't necessary. It's not as bad as the liberal dose of strength D from eldar and the 4++ army wide for the necrons.

But it is 90% of everything a normal player would take, The tax maybe only 90-120pts and you get ObjSec and 500+ pts for free....

JackKnife01 wrote:

In regards to 7th ed codeci's not having a redo yet, they did knights and knights had a 7th ed codex.

Knights was 6e but only just. They released it in March last year and then 7e came along in May and invalidated a large chunk of it before GW put out a new version a year after the first!

Ah that would be were my confusion was.

While GW releases follow certain trends, those trends do not usually last for an entire cycle of codex releases. Our codex was released during a trend of simplified, universal rules, and toned down power levels. It didn't last. The current trend is rapid-fire releases of very powerful codices with even more powerful formations. It also won't last, and, unfortunately, there's no reason to assume the next Dark Eldar release will happen before GW change their minds again.

But we can hope.

Honestly, I'd be amazed if we got a new Codex within the next 4 years. Pleasantly amazed, but amazed nonetheless.

In the meantime, I'm going to try wrapping my head around playing a codex that has a 2:1 ratio of assault units to shooty units in an edition where dakka rules. I'm sure it's possible to do well, it simply requires recalibrating my mental map of what certain Dark Eldar units should do.

Once I reconcile my subjective ideas of what units should achieve with what they are actually good at (if anything...) and let go of the idea of playing with units I like and expecting to do well, I'll be sweet.

Well that, and I'll be collecting Necrons too. For those games when I want to relax.

I will be astounded if it takes us 4 years to get a new codex. If we don't have one by 2017 I'll be surprised.

Jimsolo wrote:

I will be astounded if it takes us 4 years to get a new codex.  If we don't have one by 2017 I'll be surprised.

Going by the army lists i've seen floating about here recently, we got a new codex the moment craftworlds came out
heh heh heh

I think they will be streamlining us. Our codex will be Eldar: Commoragh or stuff like that. Just like our monk cousins became Eldar: Craftworld. Or Eldar: Harlequins. Personally, I hope they do this splitting up thing. I've for Kabals, one for witch cults and one for Coven. That way they can make extra money and we can finally get our special treatment.

Creeping Darkness wrote:

In the meantime, I'm going to try wrapping my head around playing a codex that has a 2:1 ratio of assault units to shooty units in an edition where dakka rules.

It isn't helped by about 90% of our assault units being rubbish to begin with.

CptMetal wrote:

I think they will be streamlining us.

I thought they already had?

I know it might be heresy, but I have a tough time winning with Dark Eldar alone. Quite lately, I've been dipping a lot into Wraiths from CWE. I find that a raider / tauntalus is the perfect delivery mechanism for our slow and lumber CWE brothers. Couple wraith staying power (I prefer Ghost Axes), with our ability to move troops 30" in a turn, it makes for a deadly combination. I've fought against the new Space Marine list, with all the free transports) and smushed him.

Use our CWE brothers as sacrificial quasi-meatshields, so we can do what we do best; fire a crap ton of weapons and hope not to be blown up.

There are a few things I will agree with: harnessing on a 2+ is lame, but ours is twin linked.

Don't dispair, you have to shift your build. Venom spam is going to suck vs mech. Try some new jams. Razoreings, ravengers, reavers with caltrops and multi charging. And yes the WK is now obsolete with grav every where. Just gotta change it up some.

Hannibal.Lictor wrote:

There are a few things I will agree with: harnessing on a 2+ is lame, but ours is twin linked.

I don't actually know what you mean here. Could you elaborate on this?

The Shredder wrote:

Hannibal.Lictor wrote:

There are a few things I will agree with: harnessing on a 2+ is lame, but ours is twin linked.

I don't actually know what you mean here. Could you elaborate on this?

Homeslice from the OP space marine detachment. He passes warp charge tests to manifest on 2+. Makes it really difficult to deny the witch without tools.