Passengers in jinking transports can only fire snapshots

Hellion Posts : 86 Join date : 2015-06-12

On mobile right now, so I can only provide the link.
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/warhammer-40000-faqs-first-draft.html

The rule in question is listed on the jinking page.

This is a first draft, but I'm pessimistic as to the chances of this being changed.

All I can say is that this rule was pretty crucial to my raider list.

Edit: just noticed the post under the discussion thread. Sorry about that.

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

Yeah, I also don't have a lot of faith that this will be changed, which seriously cripples our army, and ONLY our army. As if the DE needed another nerf.

Wych Posts : 583 Join date : 2013-11-26

BetrayTheWorld wrote:: ONLY our army.

Necrons too, but I get your point. Ghost Arks will still be playable after these changes, Raiders not so much.

Hellion Posts : 42 Join date : 2016-02-09

No I wouldn't call the, av 13 ,20 shot respawning ,warriors ghost arch crippled. Lol

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

Exactly. I knew it "effected" necrons, but it doesn't cripple them. It completely cripples DE.

The only legitimate pure DE build at this point is non-shooting coven units.

Wych Posts : 583 Join date : 2013-11-26

BetrayTheWorld wrote:: The only legitimate pure DE build at this point is non-shooting coven units.

Yeah and these narrow builds require the supplement to achieve any results lol. A supplement that isn't even printed anymore, I hasten to add lol. Dark Eldar squatted confirmed.

On a serious note though, do you usually bother Jinking with Venoms, seeing as they come stock with a 5++? I'm genuinely wondering if maybe Ghost Arks are hurt more by the Jink changes than Venoms are.

It would be a Pyrrhic victory at best, considering that Raiders are a write off, but it's food for thought..

So you don't rate venoms then at all?

Personally, this effects me zero...

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

hydranixx wrote:: On a serious note though, do you usually bother Jinking with Venoms, seeing as they come stock with a 5++? I'm genuinely wondering if maybe Ghost Arks are hurt more by the Jink changes than Venoms are.

It depends on what is firing at them, and what's inside. I would jink if you're virtually guaranteed destruction either way. If someone is firing a predator with three twin-linked lascannons at my venom carrying my succubus warlord with archite glaive, yeah, I'd probably jink. (Not that I'd typically put a succubus in a venom, just saying IF it were the case)

That said, I don't think it hurts ghost arks as much as it hurts us, because ghost arks get the quantum shielding for AV13, and natively have AV11 if I recall correctly. So even without jinking, they are immune to weapons below strength 7 until their quantum shielding is popped. And afterwards they're STILL immune to bolters. A ghost ark also isn't THAT expensive. That means they don't have to worry about jinking to all of the weapons S4-S6 that commonly kill our transports.

Besides, the best necron lists I've played against didn't even use a ghost ark. The same almost fundamentally couldn't be said by anyone when referring to the best DE lists, Haha.

Wych Posts : 802 Join date : 2013-03-25 Location : Boston

BetrayTheWorld wrote:: That said, I don't think it hurts ghost arks as much as it hurts us, because ghost arks get the quantum shielding for AV13, and natively have AV11 if I recall correctly. So even without jinking, they are immune to weapons below strength 7 until their quantum shielding is popped. And afterwards they're STILL immune to bolters. A ghost ark also isn't THAT expensive. That means they don't have to worry about jinking to all of the weapons S4-S6 that commonly kill our transports.

It's worth noting that because the lance and quantum shielding rules cancel out now, dark (or bright) lances will glance a Ghost Ark on a 3.

So, do our passengers get 4+ cover until the start of their next movement phase?
Even if their transport blows up?
Against the Explosion itself?

Or do they only get the butt end of the jink rule?

Butt end it is!

Big surprise Rolling Eyes

Gonna drop this in here because I don't think it warrants it's own thread.

So it looks like if your farseer jinks on a bike he can no longer psychic shriek. Since witchfires are shooting attacks (BRB 27) and any shooting attack that does not use BS to hit cannot be fired as a snap shot. (BRB 33).

Am I getting this right?

BUTT END!

Well... For Craftworld cousins and a little bit for us too.

Wych Posts : 583 Join date : 2013-11-26

BetrayTheWorld wrote:: Besides, the best necron lists I've played against didn't even use a ghost ark. The same almost fundamentally couldn't be said by anyone when referring to the best DE lists, Haha.

Yeah that's a fair call haha.

Ghost Arks seem common in Decurion, but yeah you are right, Necrons hardly depend on them as we depend on Venoms/Raiders.

PriorofDeath wrote:: Gonna drop this in here because I don't think it warrants it's own thread.

So it looks like if your farseer jinks on a bike he can no longer psychic shriek. Since witchfires are shooting attacks (BRB 27) and any shooting attack that does not use BS to hit cannot be fired as a snap shot. (BRB 33).

Am I getting this right?

Right up until the new FAQ becomes legal - I believe it works fine then

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

Massaen wrote:

PriorofDeath wrote:: Gonna drop this in here because I don't think it warrants it's own thread.

So it looks like if your farseer jinks on a bike he can no longer psychic shriek. Since witchfires are shooting attacks (BRB 27) and any shooting attack that does not use BS to hit cannot be fired as a snap shot. (BRB 33).

Am I getting this right?

Right up until the new FAQ becomes legal - I believe it works fine then

What part of the new FAQ stops this from being the case?

Page 27 – The Psychic Phase, Witchfire
Add the following sentence after the fourth sentence of the first paragraph:
‘However, some witchfire powers do not have a weapon profile (such as the Telepathy power, Psychic Shriek); where this is the case, no To Hit roll is required – the attack hits automatically.’

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

Ok, I think one of us misunderstood the other.

When the FAQ becomes official, psychic shriek will not be able to hit flying MCs or flying GMCs because you aren't allowed to snapfire something that hits automatically.

Is that your understanding as well?

Overall I'd still say Psychic Shriek came out ahead after the FAQ. Okay, you cannot hit FMCs or FGCs at all but you previously needed a 6 anyway so they were not really decent targets. And now you no longer need to roll to hit at all against anything else. I'm fine with that.

Trueborn Posts : 2665 Join date : 2013-04-04

Count Adhemar wrote:: Overall I'd still say Psychic Shriek came out ahead after the FAQ. Okay, you cannot hit FMCs or FGCs at all but you previously needed a 6 anyway so they were not really decent targets. And now you no longer need to roll to hit at all against anything else. I'm fine with that.

Yeah, this is pretty much my feeling on it as well.

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