Pure dark eldar 1500 - msu or dual cad?

I have a tourney coming up in 2 weeks and I'm torn between the following lists. The tournament will be a mix of kill points, tactical objectives and more than likely a relic mission of some sort.

Army list 'A'

CAD1
HQ
Medusae
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 90
Troops
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
5 Kabalite warriors
Sybarite (warlord)
Haywire grenade
Raider
Total 110
Fast
5 Scourges (Dark Hawks)
4 haywire blasters
Total 120
Heavy
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager Total 110

CAD2
HQ
Medusae
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 90
Troops
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
Fast
5 Scourges (Black Talons)
4 haywire blasters
Total 120
Heavy
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
Overall Total 1500

This list has a decent amount of AT and medusae may help with some marines in cover....
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Army list 'B'

CAD1
HQ
Lhamaean
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 75
Troops
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
5 Kabalite warriors
Sybarite (warlord)
Haywire grenade
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
Fast
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 65
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 65
Heavy
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager Total 110

CAD2
HQ
Lhamaean
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 75
Troops
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
5 Kabalite warriors
With a Blaster
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 120
Fast
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 65
Venom with Splinter Cannon
Total 65
Heavy
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
1 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances Total 125
Overall Total 1500

This one has less AT but 10 venoms and gives me some more Objective secure by swapping the my troops with the fast attack venoms.

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Army List 'C'

HQ
Court of the Archon
Lhamaean  
Venom + extra splinter cannon    
Total  75

Troops
5 Kabalite warriors +blaster
Sybarite (warlord)
Venom + extra splinter cannon
Total 130

5 Kabalite warriors +blaster
Venom + extra splinter cannon
Total 120

Fast
5 Scourges (Black Talons)  
4 haywire blasters  
Total 120

3 Reavers  
1x Caltrops and 1 Heat lance  
Total  73



3 Reavers  
1x Caltrops and 1 Heat lance  
Total  73

3 Reavers  
1x Caltrops and 1 Heat lance  
Total  73

3 Reavers  
1x Caltrops and 1 Heat lance  
Total  73

3 Reavers  
1x Caltrops and 1 Heat lance  
Total  73




2nd Realspace Raiders detachment
HQ
Court of the Archon
Lhamaean
Venom + extra splinter cannon  
Total 75
Troops
5 Kabalite warriors +blaster
Venom + extra splinter cannon
Total 120

5 Kabalite warriors +blaster
Venom + extra splinter cannon
Total 120

Fast
5 Scourges (Dark Hawks)
4 haywire blasters
Total 120

Venom + extra splinter cannon  
Total 65

Venom + extra splinter cannon  
Total 65

Venom + extra splinter cannon  
Total 65

Raider + Dark lance
Total 60

Overall Total 1500

This is my first MSU style list, despite the fact that there might be 2 missions with some form of kill points I still think this might work.

so what do ye think?

which is the best list - a,b or c.

later,

doom

Forgive my noobness but what are dark hawks scourges?

Nothing real. something for their personal fluff most likely.

I'm not going to weigh in on one list over another as they are all very similar and built in a style I don't play.

That said list C is wrong as written as the first RRD has 7 fast attacks (the second has 5 tho so not a real problem).

Why not find a happy medium with a CAD and a RRD that way you get 9 FA's and 6 obsec units?

Yeah the names are just fluff. the 7 fast attack is copy and paste error (fixed)

hmm CAD and RRD, food for thought......thanks.

I going to the tourney this weekend using the first list with a slight adjustment- one medusae and + another blaster.


I'll let ye know how I get on when I get back.

i would love to know how did you do! I love all of those lists! I only wish I was even close to that amount of figures! pardon my noobness I'm still new to the game what does MSU means?

@EmbraceChu MSU means "Multiple Small Units". Basically the opposite of "Deathstar" (aka spending a lot of points in a single super squad a la space marine bike-star). So you buy a lot of small 100-ish point units (aka venoms with warriers, etc) so that the enemy is forced to kill small things over big things.

Its a great counter to most of the common lists, where they have a single thing that is un-killable, and kills everything it sees. Their unit will kill anything it touches, so we spread our points out and make it un-economic to kill us.

The basic situation goes

Enemy: "I have this 600 pt death-star unit that will absolutely murder any of your stuff"

Us: "Ok, NP dude. You can only kill 1 thing per turn, and all my stuff only costs 100 pts. Feel free to kill a single unit while the rest of my army kills everything not in your death-star"

Basically our main strategy at this point

EmbraceChu wrote:

I'm still new to the game what does MSU means?

Hey,

MSU stands for Multiple Small Unit.

Is the idea of using more squads of minimum units rather than fewer squads of expensive units.

ie:

5 x Warriors, Incl Syb, Agoniser, HWG, 1 x Blaster & a Cannon Venom is 160

5 x Warriors, Cannon Venom is 105

With B you get 3 Venoms for the same points as A's 2 & everything is AI specialised, but you lose any AT ability.

Gives your opponent more to think about target priority wise & makes individual loses less painful.

MSU isn't better than it's equivalent (no idea what it would be called) just a different way to build.

Sorry I meant to up date this sooner, but life and stuff etc.

Anyway, the list did o.k

1st mission played Chaos deathstar consisting cyclopean kabal on bikes, cypher, kharn, flesh hounds, chaos lord on a juggernaut and another IP with a jump pack. Had a unit of two of cultists as well. Luckily this mission was a tac. objective based and I scored load and won 16-4 in the end. 1-0

2nd mission space wolves with landraider (had 2 hq and 2 units of wolf riders with storm shields) Very hard to kill units, scourge deep stuck behind landraider and killed it. Wolf riders evenually killed ravagers at the edge of the table. made the mistake of trying to get away with 2 ravagers, should have stayed put and forced them to stay out of position. lost 4-16. 1-1

3rd mission Daemons - fate weaver, grimiore, 3 heralds of disks, 9 flamers characters some pink horrors and some nurglings. Awful game, could kill very little, 3 relics in the mission just made my lost worst (worth 4 points each!) never failed a grimoire roll, always had 3+ invul plus reroll 1's. Almost got tabled, one ravager held on with one hull point until the end of the game, for pure spite!0-20. 1-2 overall.

4th mission - Chaos (daemonkin) - 2 turkeys, 8 flesh hounds, Lord on juggernaut, 2 units of bloodletters, renegade knight and a forge world landraider with a gun that gets better as it take damage. Best game of the tournament for me. I ignored the knight on turn 1 and shot everything at the flesh hounds( instant killing some with d. lances), killing them all and badly wounding the lord, who attempted to run back and get some cover but was promptly finished off on my turn 2 by some deep striking venoms. Scourge deep struck in and killed the landraider and then everything started on the knight which held on until the end of turn 4 despite all the dark lance fire I poured into it. Bloodletters came in and also promptly sent screaming back to the warp due to heavy venom fire. His turkeys did cause me issues though and burnt most of my infantry to crisp as they huddled in their venoms and raider. I did get lucky with 5+invul rolls on my venoms a few times over the course of the game. 20-0 2-2 overall.

mission 5 - Admech/skitarii - imperial knight, dune crawler, strider, 2 units of robots with tracks, 2 units of android assault units, an assassin, 1 unit of skitarii scouts and 1 sniper type unit and a ad mech lord with it will not die etc. good game as well, felt I could have won this and started well killing the unit (robot unit with tracks)with the warlord in it and bringing him down to one wound on turn one and killing all but one of the other track unit. but he played well and used his special prayers well.
lost 4-16 in the end after the knight blew up killing 3/4 of my remaining infantry. 2-3

nice write up, thanks!

What was your final list???

drdoom222222 wrote:

I going to the tourney this weekend using the first list with a slight adjustment- one medusae and + another blaster.

Ignore me lol