What are your hopes and dreams for dark eldar in 8th. ed?

Since our current codex is looked apon like this at the moment:



I have started looking towards, and hoping for the future. Looking at what has happened in age of sigmar lately, and the latest buffing of chaos, I am actually thinking we might finally get some balance (providing we don't get shanked like brettonia).

What are you guys and girls hoping for in 8th? A great age of sigmaring of the rules? New and powerful detachements, formations and decurions? Strength 10 on all our weapons? Or do you feel nourished by our codex suffering and hope things never change?

Three editions later I am so numbed by the pain that I dont really care. I will keep playing Dark Eldar either way.

I honestly think we should get a lot of morale manipulation, it has always been one of our most fluffy weapons in our arsenal, and I expect we will have high movement values to reflect the speeds at which we raid. In addition, with the return to movement values, perhaps we will see the ability to return to jetting around the table and firing all our weapons!

I want wych cults to be a viable army on its own. I love hellions and would like them to be a legit option. Not an auto-include, but good enough that I could include them.

Something with skyfire that isn't a flyer.

Overcompensate us for having no psykers and low armor. Make us the fastest army, moving at cruising speed and fire all weapons at full BS. That should be our gimmick.

Upgrades to the Voidraven (see voidraven discussion board)

I want it to not suck and not be Age of Sigmar.

My expectations are currently so low they're right next to dinosaur bones.

But hey! Since we're at a low point it can only go upwards from here, right?
I am actually hoping that some parts of aos will be implemented in 40k. Like removing the penalty of charging through terrain would be nice. Getting rid of or changing overwatch would also be nice.

I disagree but I also liked vanilla WoW

I agree with @Srota on fixing morale manipulation. The have given fearless and "they shall know no fear" too much power and to too many factions in the game, making the game mechanic sort of obsolete. What if they changed the rules to torment launchers so it would make enemies go into a blind rage and start killing off their own units instead on a 4+?

I'd be happy if we did things like subtract from their morale so that the enemy units would be more likely to flee piecemeal. And they could do things like ASTKNF would add like +2 to Morale, or allow rerolls of morale checks and things like that. Those would be significant benefits that would also allow morale to still be a viable weapon in our arsenal.

I'd expect it to be something more along the lines of Torment launchers give a -1 to enemy Morale characteristic or forcing them to take morale checks on 2d6. This has been something I have started to see used more in AoS and I think is a great way to implement morale in a way that makes armies like our's have a viable morale weapon.

I certainly hope AoS is growing because when I played it a couple months ago the games seemed like they could be replicated on an Electric Football board.

I just hope they don't gimp our Codex in order to not further buff Grand Alliance Eldar, which at the moment seems really strong already.
I guess i'll just take that and add more spikes.

AoS can seem kind of bland at first glance, but after a few games you start to realize that there is quite a bit of depth to it, especially with the 3" bubbles of forced combat. AoS tends, at least in how I see it, to come down a lot to area control, which is a good thing in many ways.

Essentially, wound allocation, unit placement, and pile-ins are actually fairly important, since the melee ranges tend to be smaller than just the standard 2" bubble in 40k. This makes the way in which you deploy units as well as charge them fairly important, imo.

I'd been away from AoS for a while due to lack of activity in my area and a lack of funds for gas to drive to the local GW store, but I remember there being quite a lot more depth to it than people give it credit for.

I just remember getting stomped by Dark AELFS and ORRUKS over and over with my High AELF army and wondering why. And the ORRUK player told me it was because High AELFS are pretty bad atm, and I was like "oh". Then again they had to make my list for me because I didn't have the General's Handbook because I was originally sold on the game as "all the rules are free", but I didn't realize that it was free as in beer and that additional material operated under the Overwatch lootbox system. So he mighta shifted it a bit in his favor. Considering how new I am though that would be an insult to his character, but he was an ORRUK player, so who knows. On a similar note, I have never spent money on AoS. I've spent money on models from the AoS model line but they were always conversions for 40k stuff. My entire AoS army, all the rules I have for it, and all the materials I've acquired for it has been completely free, including the 100+ High AELF models I have to paint. Most of it was given to me as a gift or otherwise passed along. People ask me, "TA, if you're not a fan of AoS, why are you playing it? Why not play something more fun, like Malifaux?" Well because I can only justify financing one miniatures hobby at a time. Buying into Malifaux would put me $60 on the side of uncomfortable. AoS meanwhile is completely free. Free models, free rules, free tablespace. They can't give this stuff away. And it gives me an opportunity to see how the other side lives.

If 40k turns into Sigmar, well, I can get free models for that too.

Honestly, High Aelfs aren't all that bad, they have yet to receive any new models or subfaction which has been what has hurt them most. Orruks on the other hand came out right around the points move and were designed for it, they didn't really rework the legacy warscrolls until recently with the order battletome.

As for rules, the rules are free for all the models, its the battalions and battle plans that cost the money, and as far as points, they've just announced that GW is sanctioning a free warscroll builder (army builder) on their community website, so free points calculator as well coming soon.

The issue with AoS primarily stemmed from the leadership change during development, imo, it reeks of having been rushed out by the previous CEO's leadership in order to try and make his mark on the game before Rountree came on and actually cleaned things up. Since the General's Handbook, subsequent releases have all been steps in the right direction, especially in regards to retaining balance in all game modes (Open, Narrative, Path to Glory, and Matched Play). Which, as you may imagine is no mean feat in and of itself.

For example, look at the Stormcast Eternals, their battletome needed to be rereleased since, as one of the first released in the game, it was designed about a totally different game than there is now. Give AoS time to settle into its groove now that it has found it, and I think we'll see a pretty great game with well matched armies for a long time to come.

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Honestly, High Aelfs aren't all that bad, they have yet to receive any new models or subfaction which has been what has hurt them most.  Orruks on the other hand came out right around the points move and were designed for it, they didn't really rework the legacy warscrolls until recently with the order battletome.

So I need a $25 book and a $35 book to make my models with "free rules" work in the game. Yeah no, free is free.

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As for rules, the rules are free for all the models, its the battalions and battle plans that cost the money, and as far as points, they've just announced that GW is sanctioning a free warscroll builder (army builder) on their community website, so free points calculator as well coming soon.

Good, maybe then people will stop asking me if I bought the book yet (the answer is no).

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The issue with AoS primarily stemmed from the leadership change during development, imo, it reeks of having been rushed out by the previous CEO's leadership in order to try and make his mark on the game before Rountree came on and actually cleaned things up.  Since the General's Handbook, subsequent releases have all been steps in the right direction, especially in regards to retaining balance in all game modes (Open, Narrative, Path to Glory, and Matched Play).  Which, as you may imagine is no mean feat in and of itself.

I was under the impression it was the fact it replaced a deep and intricate massive tabletop wargame with a skirmish game even 40k kids find simplistic.

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For example, look at the Stormcast Eternals, their battletome needed to be rereleased since, as one of the first released in the game, it was designed about a totally different game than there is now.  Give AoS time to settle into its groove now that it has found it, and I think we'll see a pretty great game with well matched armies for a long time to come.

AoS was perfect as it was when it was released. It's the ultimate beer and pretzels game. The rules were literally slap plastic on the table, roll dice, and move mice. What they're trying to do now is put out the gasoline fire that Fantasy players consider it to be. The game is, was, and always will be a flagrant insult to people who cherished the old game. From the cutting of entire factions, to the watered down rules sets, to the fact it's listbuilding is basically 40k for berks, to the Electric Football gameplay, every step it takes to try and dignify itself is only going to bury it deeper in the mire. The way I see it, don't try to put out the gasoline fire. Just keep throwing more fuel on there, it's fun to watch it burn. Which is why I don't build lists and just slap plastic on the table. My opponents will usually try to make me a list or alternatively calculate how many points I've pulled out of my box-o-AELFS and make theirs match, and I always lose, but I can also tell I'm having way more fun than they are.

AoS can die in a fire and then sink into the swamp which is also on fire.

Can we talk about 40k? Let's talk about 40k.

While deep down I hope for rules that match the lore, I'm going to say I just hope we get a codex at all. I haven't forgotten how long it was between our first and second codices.

As I understand it, they are finally bringing back the movement characteristic and save modifiers. Both of those things will almost certainly benefit us.

True, but the lesser impact of initiative will hurt us and the ld part can be a really big boon, or our death since it will hurt MSU more, but this depends a lot on the precise implementation.

While you're right about Initiative, theoretically we'll be better equipped to charge and thus strike first than most other armies.

Theoretically.

Historically, the only major race with a Movement as high as Eldar was Tyranids. If we're returning to those numbers (and not different numbers, which is possible), all other things being equal (and they won't be) we should have a greater charge range than almost any other army. And Raiders have generally been ideal for assaulting from, provided they don't explode first.

The main difference would be that getting assaulted when we don't want to bewould be worse. We just need to hope we'll be fast enough to keep that from happening.

This is all conjecture, of course, even if it's reasonable conjecture.

If it's removing the grenade effect then Incubi might be making a comeback. But I'm completely confident that GW will find a way to nerf us further whilst buffing CWE.

As I only started playing the True Kin in 6th edition (we haven't even touched 7th general rules so I completely ignore it) I don't know the pain of the previous changes to our rules, but personally I'd like the melee options to be more viable. I love the look of Incubi and Wyches and the lore for both is really cool but on the tabletop I play against Marines, Tau and Necrons so "nope" as those scantily clad ladies will just be gunned down in flipping OVERWATCH.

I also lead a Hive Fleet and the thrice cursed OVERWATCH rule was the reason I stopped playing them and switched to Dark Eldar because I just got kerbstomped every game and didn't wish to buy all the new £40 models that allegedly made them a viable army again.

So yeah, if overwatch could just vanish that'd be lovely...

So with the limited release of information regarding 8th edition things are rapidly looking like a more favourable ruleset than 6th and 7th for dark eldar, for those who don't know they recently announced

- 8th will have a rend system similar to AoS
- Charging units always go first in first turn of combat
- Models will have a movement stat similar to AoS
- Fearless and space marine TSKNF are being removed from the game, and replaced with a similar system to daemonic instability, meaning models that 'flee' will be removed as casualties.

This is all good news for us, with rend giving new life to the armour save, our poison weaponry will be doubly effective due to us not caring regardless and relying on mass amounts of fire in the first place.

Charging and going first in combat may give new life to covens units like wracks which get very little love, it seems like a de-buff to models like wytches but we will get to that later.

The movement stat, this may rely on a bit of wishful thinking, but you would think us being eldar means we will get decent movement stats, I imagine Reavers, hellions and Scourges will remain the same while our troops might move a bit faster. This means wytches might be able to make more reliable charges.

The removal of fearless? While it may change PFP lets all rejoice in the fact that covens will probably get a decent buff thanks to the unified de-buff of almost every army on the table. Now all of our fluffy fear or Ld modifying rules we will inevitably get in our codecies will actually see some play!  

I am very hopefull for the future of DE, my Kabal of the Flayed Skull and my Coven will rejoice, so long as we dont get utterly nerfed into the ground...

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AoS can die in a fire and then sink into the swamp which is also on fire.

Can we talk about 40k? Let's talk about 40k.

If you want to talk about the future of 40k you sadly have to look into the abyssal nightmare that is the AoS system and differentiate the good from the bad. Movement values? Good. Segregating fluffy playstyle from competitive ones? Maybe. Inferring the General's Handbook will be the gold standard by which new rules are made? EJECT! EJECT! WE'RE DOWN LADS!

I'm sure DE will still make use of posion and dark light as our primary tools of destruction. Hopefully, power from pain will get even better (I like the current PfP).

I too would like to see us regain the title of fastest faction in the game. Being able to move flat out or even turbo boost and still shoot would be handy.

Given the present state of Commorragh, I'm looking forward to see how Vect regains his city. Will Kheradruakh make a return? Maybe we get a new unit that's ours only. Will Ynnari still be as huge a thing as they are now?

IMO there is 3 things to make DE extremely viable again. The more me and some friends talk about DE we feel these 3 things will change DE for the best and give them that little push to making them more viable.

1) Poison shooting needs to have Strength 3 and 4. Splinter Cannons and Shard Carbines S4 all other S3. This gives our units more options to do more thinkgs and not relay on Signal shot weapons like Lances.

2) Fix the Movement OR survivablity. Corsairs and Eldar are both faster and better at Null Deployment, we should be the GODS of Null Deployment. If we cant have that, give us better survival via Dodges/jinks etc..

3) Drugs, the player can pick the drug (this is extremely important b.c you will take the drug for the job, going against a hoard army? +1 atk, going against high Toughness? +1s etc...)

The drugs needs to be
+1 atk
+1 Str
+1 Tough
+1 WS
+1 Init
+1" movement, run, charge

Armour Save modification instead of fix Armour piercing value:
Good as long as it doesn't mean the marine can get his Armour Save and cover save and that our Splinter Rifle at least has a tiny modificator.

Different movement value? Hell yeah.

Morale checks like age of Sigmar? Well... Why not?
@Reavas who said that fearless and they shall know no fear will be removed? I can't imagine GW harming their poster boys.

Maybe we get a to hit modifier. Like when we move more than 6 inches with the tanks -1 for the enemy and when it's more than 12 inches -2.
Something like that. But that would be book keeping and I doubt that will happen.