Dark Eldar Shenanigans Wishlist

My Sigmar army is almost entirely freegan so yeah lol

Also I hate to break it to you but we're in all likelihood going to *lose* HQs to the Ynnari rather than gain them.

Yet another reason to despise Ynnari.

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Also I hate to break it to you but we're in all likelihood going to *lose* HQs to the Ynnari rather than gain them.

I really seriously doubt that. You keep on propheticly insisting on the point, regardless of the thread, and it is completely and utterly unfounded. If every Eldar character that was in support of Ynnari were to become exclusive to Ynnari, then the only special character left to the Craftworlders would be the Avatar of Khaine.

Now I have my problems with 8th. I have my problems with Ynnari. I have a plethora of problems with Games Workshop. But this level of distrust of the company borders on paranoia.

We know your opinions on this, mate.

Just because most people politely ignore your continued insistence on this point does not mean we don't notice. And it is getting incredibly tiring of seeing you derail several topics a day into a raving string of conspiracy theories about an innocuous game of dice and tape measures!

You're welcome to voice these opinions in your own threads. But please stop hijacking everyone else's.

edit: very well then.

I think we'll get our webway portals as a stratagem and it will probably be a unit being able to be placed in deep strike reserves. I hope this happens because the lack of webway portals atm is pretty obvious and it seems silly they wouldn't include it.

If we don't get some kind of Webway Portal option when our actual 'dex drops I'm going to be seriously hacked off.

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t8429-old-archon-discusses-webway-portals

I'm sure we will have some sort of webway portal. With precision deepstrike being a thing across all factions hopefully we get some bonus entering from reserves. It's kinda of been a defining aspect of DE

I think we can expect a WWP stratagem as well as some kind of aerial assault DS for vehicles incorporated in the same way.

Specialist Toxins: Each unit may be upgraded with one of the following special poisons. Its effects apply to all splinter weapons and wrack tools attacks made by that unit.

Eyeblight toxin (1 pt/model): a unit hit by this toxin cannot fire overwatch and is at -1 BS during its next shooting phase.
Necrotoxin (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 2+ against non-vehicles.
Fleshmelter venom (2 pts/model): This toxin deals d3 damage against non-vehicles.
Thermo-reactive acid (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 4+ against all targets, and has an AP of -1.

FuelDrop wrote:

Specialist Toxins: Each unit may be upgraded with one of the following special poisons. Its effects apply to all splinter weapons and wrack tools attacks made by that unit.

Eyeblight toxin (1 pt/model): a unit hit by this toxin cannot fire overwatch and is at -1 BS during its next shooting phase.
Necrotoxin (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 2+ against non-vehicles.
Fleshmelter venom (2 pts/model): This toxin deals d3 damage against non-vehicles.
Thermo-reactive acid (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 4+ against all targets, and has an AP of -1.

Now this is what I would like. Although the eyeblight toxin should be more expensive (because we have splitfire).

|Meavar wrote:

FuelDrop wrote:

Specialist Toxins: Each unit may be upgraded with one of the following special poisons. Its effects apply to all splinter weapons and wrack tools attacks made by that unit.

Eyeblight toxin (1 pt/model): a unit hit by this toxin cannot fire overwatch and is at -1 BS during its next shooting phase.
Necrotoxin (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 2+ against non-vehicles.
Fleshmelter venom (2 pts/model): This toxin deals d3 damage against non-vehicles.
Thermo-reactive acid (3 pts/model): This toxin wounds on 4+ against all targets, and has an AP of -1.

Now this is what I would like. Although the eyeblight toxin should be more expensive (because we have splitfire).

True. Failed to factor that in, was just looking for a way to get wyches into a fight without all dying to overwatch.

It is not just wyches, most of our melee units are quite easy to kill by massed overwatch (hellions :'( bloodbrides, khymera, Ur ghul, lahmean, and of course the before mentioned wyches all have large problems, and even wracks and reavers are just t4 with not such a good save base that against any decent unit a lot of them can die on the way in). Expecially since our best bet against hordes usually is those units that cannot survive the overwatch of a horde...

Toxins like that would be amazing...I wish trueborn had something like that stock.

lament.config wrote:

Toxins like that would be amazing...I wish trueborn had something like that stock.

In the 7th edition codex I was working on Trueborn came in at 18 points a model, but came stock with Ghostplate, Shardcarbines, CCW+Pistol, and WS+BS 5!

Expensive but awesome was the general theme. And you could upgrade the combat weapon with a poison melee weapon, and buy them special poisons.

Maybe instead of a blinding venom some sort of one time use aura effect of a charakter that blinds enemies in 12" so they are not allowed to overwatch?

Or we could steal those anti-overwatch grenades from the SPACE SPACE MARINES and give them to our Wyches, who are after all the only unit that still get grenades.

Or our Darklight weapons could have some kind of blinding effect. Like they do in the fluff.

|Meavar wrote:

It is not just wyches, most of our melee units are quite easy to kill by massed overwatch (hellions :'( bloodbrides, khymera, Ur ghul, lahmean, and of course the before mentioned wyches all have large problems, and even wracks and reavers are just t4 with not such a good save base that against any decent unit a lot of them can die on the way in). Expecially since our best bet against hordes usually is those units that cannot survive the overwatch of a horde...

Keep in mind you don't need LOS to charge but do need LOS to overwatch.

I just gotta say that reavers can tank overwatch if they have to. Reavers are tougher than ppl think.

It takes over 40 bolter shots to kill just 3 reavers. That's with base T4.
Factor in T5 from drugs and 6+ to hit from overwatch and... yes reavers can tank overwatch!

40 bolter shots?

2/3 hit.
1/2 wound.
1/2 penetrate save
5/6 penetrate PfP

that means around 7-8 shots per wound. 2 wounds each is... about 15 shots per kill. So 45 ish bolter shots... Huh, you are correct my good sir!

Of course whether the Reavers can do anything once they reach combat is another matter...

Thanks mate. Like I said tougher than ppl think.

They are good in CC if you use them like vultures. They attack the weak, the injured, the isolated.

Painjunky wrote:

Thanks mate. Like I said tougher than ppl think.

They are good in CC if you use them like vultures. They attack the weak, the injured, the isolated.  

Which is fine, except other things can do that better, cheaper. If you want melee bikes, take shining spears. Not too much more expensive, but better in every conceivable way except for not being Dark Eldar.

FuelDrop wrote:

Painjunky wrote:

Thanks mate. Like I said tougher than ppl think.

They are good in CC if you use them like vultures. They attack the weak, the injured, the isolated.  

Which is fine, except other things can do that better, cheaper. If you want melee bikes, take shining spears. Not too much more expensive, but better in every conceivable way except for not being Dark Eldar.

True.
Reavers need to be much cheaper or be buffed significantly. GW developers aren't very bright poor things.

I will still use and make them work (outside of tournaments) cos I love them.

EDIT. Just for kicks, how many overwatch bolter shots to kill 3 T5 reavers please

Yes against bolters maybe.

But a blob of orcs does not care if it is overwatch or not, they kill with volume of fire. And once you factor in burnas etc, which deal a wound each, you are bound to lose a few, and for 30+ points each that hurts still. I think part of my problem with reavers is they are so fast they often end up attacking some heavier weapons in the enemy back lines. And while they have less shots, if he is lucky and he hits a few that usually means 1 or 2 die at least. (well that or none at all, because then the defense is the 6 to hit, not the model itself).

259 overwatch boltershots
26 should be over 32, I assumed wounding on2+ but s9 means only a 3+ for the lascannon

Thanks |Meavar.

259 overwatch boltershots
26 lascannon


I am going to use 3 stock reavers to tank a massive blob overwatch ASAP!  

I would love a special rule for the army, something like "The Warlord is dead, long live the Warlord" :
"When the Warlord is slain, if any appropriate model (see below) is within a range of 6", you're enemy doesn't receive the Warlord Slain points, and one of the appropriate models within 6" becomes the Warlord of your army".
If your Warlord is an Archon, appropriate models are other Archons, and Dracons
If your Warlord is a Succubus, appropriate models are other Succubi, and Syrens
If your Warlord is an Haemonculus, appropriate models are other Haemonculi, and Acothysts (maybe)"

If that were a Strategem for us, that would be pretty sweet.

Could use some more options for are HQ's would be nice to see them able to take a Reaver bike, Hellion board or even scourge wings instead of just a venom.