TTT DE video

I'm really stoked with what we have.

I hear the salt and I understand it, but man I'm still excited. I picked up Dark Eldar for the lore and the image of dozens of skimmers knifing straight towards their prey, cackling maniacally as they charged. That's still there and that's still how I'll play my army, even if I can't properly take Trueborn I feel like Flayed Skull with splinter racks has made gunboat lists even more efficient.

Sure it sucks having to reserve a seat on a boat for your HQs, but anyone who thought we would get fast HQ options was deluding themselves, we never had proper models. I'll suck it up and convert a much cheaper Venom into a nice personal lounge chair for my Archons.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

So how are our HQ's slower? You have to compare Apples with Apples in my opinion.

It would have been nice to possess the same gear options as Autarch has... At least a bike would have been nice. Or a skateboard. Skateboards are cool.

the_scotsman wrote:

The other one has 20 16" move hellions, 12 18" move Reavers (who have the option of moving up to 33" if they feel like it or want to pull a 12-dice flyover plus 4 blasters to the face of some unfortunate character), 3 19" move Venoms, 2 17" move Raiders, and a flyer with a Move stat that just says "Yes".

Yeah guys we're slow as balls, I'm burning my models.

Haha, excellent!

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

I'd rather see an archon specific chariot with two void lances. One can dream.

"Death is my meat, terror my wine."

In 3rd Ed, we had the terrorfex/Horrorfex combo: After a casualty, leadership with -1: if miss, you were pinned.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than what we had before? Absolutely! I’m not sad at the loss of true born or blood brides. One was never taken, the other would be too powerful with the new blaster profile in a vehicle. Scourges fill that role while still being “glass”. The blend of range, melee, and tank will be fun to mix and find what is best for your play style.

Did someone do the math for the different cabal obsession performance . I'm thinking to make a Dark Hearth brigade detachment but i want to be sure i dont lose too much.

By the way i dont understand why people are so mad about the patrol thing. Its not like we are forced to play with it and the more i think about it the more i feel its not that great

It sounds to me as if we have plenty of amazing sounding relics and we still have some very good wargear too. The game has moved on, changed a little. What was always a choice between one special rule or another, is still now a choice of the right special rules/relic/trait. The names have changed and the way you can apply them to your game or add them to your army has changed...but once the battle starts it's still all pretty much the same.

Lelith sounds so good that I'm a bit miffed I ordered a Succubus online today lol

Sarkesian wrote:

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than what we had before? Absolutely! I’m not sad at the loss of true born or blood brides. One was never taken, the other would be too powerful with the new blaster profile in a vehicle. Scourges fill that role while still being “glass”. The blend of range, melee, and tank will be fun to mix and find what is best for your play style.

This ^

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Did someone do the math for the different cabal obsession performance . I'm thinking to make a Dark Hearth brigade detachment but i want to be sure i dont lose too much

Not yet, still a bit hard without the codex tbh

I think the problem is people have a hard time separating fluff from crunch. If people are narrative/fluff/"your dudes" players and the crunch of the army doesn't align with that, they can either deal with it or change armies and do their Mary Sue thing with a more suitable option.

There's not much to complain about from a gameplay perspective in my opinion. People didn't get their special snowflake HQ mobility thing, but GW addressed (with conviction) all or most of the issues we had from a tabletop perspective.

If those of you quitting are going to unload your models, I'll give you a fair price.

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

I was not taling about you actually

no no no i know, was just talking and it was nice to see it from a player that was there.

I've been playing DE since they first dropped in the starter back in 3rd. He's not wrong. In the first book there were no vehicle upgrades at all, only archons, drachons and Haemonculi for HQ and wyches were 15ppm and literally were worse then ever. They had to patch the book with a white dwarf whiched fixed some things but for the most part the book was still rubbish. People played the army because they loved the lore and the models. Bike archons were hot trash BTW, don't let anyone fool you, they hit like a wet bag and died. I always ran mine on foot with combat drugs and incubi, which was always the fluffiest choice as well. Don't get me wrong, more options are always a good thing. But it makes me chuckle a bit when people that started in 5th act like they are entitled to certain demands. This is easily the best book DE has ever had. That's objective fact. We have never had traits for Pete sake.

I think the frustrated people are players that don't own other armies. There has been a ton of stuff cut from HQ's. This edition is about letting your actual units do the killing while your HQ's provide aura buffs. I mean, no other enemy character is safe from our army. With the crazy speed you can always grab an angle. I mean, hellions or reavers can now fly by a character and burn 1 CP to slash them to ribbons. Coven can shoot the guy from a raider or unit of talos lol. Theres an archon that can blind fire for 2d3 damage. I know that would ruin come of my other army builds, only safe place is in a transport where they won't provide their buff.

I am actually worried the book might be too good. But then I remember that only gives me an opportunity to play with more fluffy options that aren't the most competitive.

People are entitled to their opinion, I don't think anyone should deny them of theirs. I think some folks are excited and it upsets them to hear another player from our community is being down so they are trying to convince them to cheer up. You can't do that fellas. People have to want to be happy. To the guys that aren't happy I would advise you to stop pissing on the joy of the folks celebrating though. You made your voice heard, now either wipe off those tears and make the best of it, or leave, but stop beating that damned horse already.

EDIT: whoops, didn't read far enough ahead to see all the other Morley victims come out to share There is much to be celebrated guys! I am finally motivated to finish my endless hobby project pile.

Red Corsair wrote:

To the guys that aren't happy I would advise you to stop pissing on the joy of the folks celebrating though. You made your voice heard, now either wipe off those tears and make the best of it, or leave, but stop beating that damned horse already.

Are you kidding? Complaining is just about the single best thing you can do. Praising what we are given encourages those who give it to you to keep doing what they are doing, but complaining encourages improvement. This is true in all things. Our society is built on complaining. You want to see something changed? Then complain about it. Some aren't happy with the DE codex, so they complain. They should. Let us do so.

Red Corsair wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

I was not taling about you actually

no no no i know, was just talking and it was nice to see it from a player that was there.

I've been playing DE since they first dropped in the starter back in 3rd. He's not wrong. In the first book there were no vehicle upgrades at all, only archons, drachons and Haemonculi for HQ and wyches were 15ppm and literally were worse then ever. They had to patch the book with a white dwarf whiched fixed some things but for the most part the book was still rubbish. People played the army because they loved the lore and the models. Bike archons were hot trash BTW, don't let anyone fool you, they hit like a wet bag and died.

A lot of what you said I agree with, but this, in my experience, is about as far from the truth as could be. I was regularly running a bike Dracon - typically had an Archon in a Raider with Incubi - and sometimes would pop up the Dracon to Archon status, depending on the game.

Long story short, this guy was pure terror in 3rd. Waltzing up with I think 6 attacks, almost guaranteed to hit on 3's with a re-roll, and wounding on a 2+ ignoring armor.

Granted, you'd hit an overdose now and then, but what's life without a bit of risk? :

That's actually what I've been missing for so long - Archons were stupidly good for the points (easily one of the top 3 HQ's in damage output, and for a fraction of what many of the others would cost). Now, between Huskblades having a S boost, potential for bonus attacks through Relics, WLT, and/or Strats... They're actually a combat monster again. I think. I may be wrong, but I think.

Pain Engine wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:

To the guys that aren't happy I would advise you to stop pissing on the joy of the folks celebrating though. You made your voice heard, now either wipe off those tears and make the best of it, or leave, but stop beating that damned horse already.

Are you kidding? Complaining is just about the single best thing you can do. Praising what we are given encourages those who give it to you to keep doing what they are doing, but complaining encourages improvement. This is true in all things. Our society is built on complaining. You want to see something changed? Then complain about it. Some aren't happy with the DE codex, so they complain. They should. Let us do so.

Their is a difference between complaining and lying about the quality of what we get.
I'm disapointed that we cant take bike for our HQ and the no transport capacity change but i'm able to see that this is some minor thing in the global picture

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Their is a difference between complaining and lying about the quality of what we get.

That is very subjective, and we (or at least I) aren't complaining about the quality of what we got but about what we got. The complaint isn't that it should be better, it's that it should be different.

The key is all the armies are generic. This is D&D 4th edition bit in wargaming form.

TeenageAngst wrote:

The key is all the armies are generic. This is D&D 4th edition bit in wargaming form.

Sorry you feel that way, but my Nids, DE, Custodes, and Harlequins literally all play completely differently.

It was the case with Indices meta. Codices have added a whole layer of diversity (not much depth, but a lot of diversity), and stratagems are an interesting way to diversify armies without bloating them with rules.

so is there somewhere gathered together all the info we got so far?

I prefer rules bloat to playing Yu-Gi-Oh with stratagems.

I feel startageme are far most interesting in term of creating a battle plan than tons of special runs but thats a personnal preference. Still its not like we get no special rule of our own

Eh. I've never looked into a game that could be titled "launch 20 000 dice and pretend to be a strategist" for tactical depth. To me 40k is a very casual game, even in the competitive scene/mindset.

I'm dead serious when I play things like Dungeon Twister. But 40K ? It's absolutely and ultimatly random after all.

Stratagems as the diversification piss me off because any Eldar soup army can just stack the best of each of the 4 offerings and run amok with the best units, which happen to all be in other armies. Take our Agents of Vect stratagem for instance. Imagine running a Dark Reaper and Shining Spear heavy Eldar/Ynnari army but also having that, all for about 100-150 points of tax. The benefits are enormous and the cost is negligible.

People criticized 7th edition for allowing too many allies but here we have the same thing cranked to 11 and people think it's the second coming of Rick Priestly.

Thats a problem with the alliance system, not with stratagem. I mean i dont see how more special rule would change anything about it ??