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If stratagems were special rules tied to detachments (you know, like formations) then the tax would be much higher and thus there would actually be a consideration as to what to bring. As it is, you dip your toes into whatever factions have the 2 best stratagems, bring a main force of whatever has the best units, and go whole hog.

I see no difference with bringing the best formation of each faction tbh.

EDIT: Ok nvm i understand but i still dont see how this is worst than the V6 alliance system

Well the difference in 7th edition was anywhere from 300 to 1500+ points depending what you fielded, per formation. With detachments to unlock stratagems you're pushing maybe over 100 for access to the lot.

Hum yes but for 100 its a tax when before you got the full utility of the formation unit

The difference is that formations granted you +1 BS for your entire army.
Or free transports.
Or +1 RP.
Or free equipment for your every troops.
The difference between formation abuse and the absence of formation abuse could lead to a point difference of 50-100%.


Stratagems are a one-time bonus. Even if you min-max and take a huge dump on logic and fluff, you'll never be able to ludically abuse your opponent the way formations allowed it.

Depends, not all units in the formation were usually good, you often brought them for 1 or 2 specific bonuses to specific units, with some exceptions. Either way, to get those buffs you had to invest a lot into specific formations whereas now you just have to say "well I might use those stratagems so what's a hundred points or so to be sure".

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

For me its way to early to tell, i really need to see the codex and just digest it for a couple days.

TeenageAngst wrote:

Depends, not all units in the formation were usually good, you often brought them for 1 or 2 specific bonuses to specific units, with some exceptions. Either way, to get those buffs you had to invest a lot into specific formations whereas now you just have to say "well I might use those stratagems so what's a hundred points or so to be sure".

Not the DE one............ that thing was terrible, now the Coven formations were great! I miss them a lot actually

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

For me its way to early to tell, i really need to see the codex and just digest it for a couple days.

True but i'm talking about what wa saw for now

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

I don't know how powerful Agents of Vect will be in practice, but it's got the potential to warp how the entire game is played.

Quauchtemoc wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

For me its way to early to tell, i really need to see the codex and just digest it for a couple days.

True but i'm talking about what wa saw for now

Double shoot/attack, either way i will take something that can use it, double shoot Flyer, tantalus, ravager, double attack reavers, hellions, wyches, etc. im doing it!

Burnage wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

I don't know how powerful Agents of Vect will be in practice, but it's got the potential to warp how the entire game is played.

Yeah agree but it cost a lot so you have to build your army around it i think

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

For me its way to early to tell, i really need to see the codex and just digest it for a couple days.

True but i'm talking about what wa saw for now

Double shoot/attack, either way i will take something that can use it, double shoot Flyer, tantalus, ravager, double attack reavers, hellions, wyches, etc. im doing it!

Double shoot ?? Wich one is that ?

Quauchtemoc wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Which stratagme is a must have to you in the DE codex ? Cause exept the Black heart one their effect are all limited to DE model rigth ?

For me its way to early to tell, i really need to see the codex and just digest it for a couple days.

True but i'm talking about what wa saw for now

Double shoot/attack, either way i will take something that can use it, double shoot Flyer, tantalus, ravager, double attack reavers, hellions, wyches, etc. im doing it!

Double shoot ?? Wich one is that ?

Cult of Strife, "No method of death beyond our grasp" what a long name

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Cult of Strife, "No method of death beyond our grasp" what a long name

Better than "Screaming Jets," if you ask me.

Aaaah yes forgot about this one but the effect is limited to Cult of strife unit so you cant do what Teenage complain about

Okay. I slept on it, and I think I have induced enough cognitive dissonance to be positive again. Dark Eldar are dead, but I think I can have some fun with Drukhari by not holding them to the same standards and expectations.

So, pure positive post from now on:

Holy crap guys did you see Shredders? d6 S6 AP -1 reroll failed wounds shots for 8 points?!? I am loading up my scourges with these bad boys and going to town!

6 point Warriors? That is a lot of very accurate firepower, particularly now we have reroll options.

8 point, 2 attack base Wyches? plus drugs and stratagems? Awesome! I'm going Cursed Blade, popping +1 attack drugs, then Hyperstim backlash. 5 S4 attacks each is going to tear most squads apart. Have them Webway charge and use the strategem to get +1 on the power from pain chart to have a 20 man squad pull a surprise on a devastator squad or the like.

Does anyone know if Bladevanes are still fixed strength?

Hmmm. Hellions with +S drug, Cursed Blade, Hyperstim Backlash... A horde of S 7 D2 attacks
Goodbye medium vehicles, it was great knowing you!

Because tradition is to end on a downer note, will throw in that I don't think that Kabalite based splinter cannons are worth it, still, because Kabalites are so cheap.

TheBaconPope wrote:

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Cult of Strife, "No method of death beyond our grasp" what a long name

Better than "Screaming Jets," if you ask me.

I take it back, Screaming Jets is very good lol

FuelDrop wrote:

Okay. I slept on it, and I think I have induced enough cognitive dissonance to be positive again. Dark Eldar are dead, but I think I can have some fun with Drukhari by not holding them to the same standards and expectations.

So, pure positive post from now on:

Holy crap guys did you see Shredders? d6 S6 AP -1 reroll failed wounds shots for 8 points?!? I am loading up my scourges with these bad boys and going to town!

6 point Warriors? That is a lot of very accurate firepower, particularly now we have reroll options.

8 point, 2 attack base Wyches? plus drugs and stratagems? Awesome! I'm going Cursed Blade, popping +1 attack drugs, then Hyperstim backlash. 5 S4 attacks each is going to tear most squads apart. Have them Webway charge and use the strategem to get +1 on the power from pain chart to have a 20 man squad pull a surprise on a devastator squad or the like.

Does anyone know if Bladevanes are still fixed strength?

Hmmm. Hellions with +S drug, Cursed Blade, Hyperstim Backlash... A horde of S 7 D2 attacks
Goodbye medium vehicles, it was great knowing you!

Because tradition is to end on a downer note, will throw in that I don't think that Kabalite based splinter cannons are worth it, still, because Kabalites are so cheap.

That is a good question about Bladevanes, didnt even think if it is or not.

Bladevane are probably still fixed strength but i dont think its a big problem

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Bladevane are probably still fixed strength but i dont think its a big problem

It isn't a big problem, but it does mean that our vehicles aren't really going to be doing much in melee and limits our avenues of enhancement for Reavers. We can get more attacks, but we can't really get better attacks.

So, I haven't run the math yet but I think that for Cursed Blade Razorflails will be better than Hydra Gauntlets. And having at least one shardnet and impaler in all squads is mandatory. I haven't been able to say that in forever.

Did Incubi end up getting a squad wide aspect trait or are they still just lethal precision?

Not sure I like Draz's attack twice on charge rule. It's nice, sure, but Kharn does that every turn so it doesn't feel that powerful. Is he still limited to 1 damage, or does he have Lethal Precision now, or what?

Well tbh i never send vehicule in cc for something else than an overwatch protection

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Well tbh i never send vehicule in cc for something else than an overwatch protection

Why not? Our vehicles are some of the best close combat non-walkers out there, with a legitimately good to hit and dedicated weapons. If the Succubus gives full rerolls, not just reroll 1's (which I heard she might), then you have 75% chance to hit.

FuelDrop wrote:

Quauchtemoc wrote:

Well tbh i never send vehicule in cc for something else than an overwatch protection

Why not? Our vehicles are some of the best close combat non-walkers out there, with a legitimately good to hit and dedicated weapons. If the Succubus gives full rerolls, not just reroll 1's (which I heard she might), then you have 75% chance to hit.

Yeah but its still a bit pricy for 3 strength 5 attack