Archon aura within vehicles

Hellion Posts : 33 Join date : 2018-04-05

As I'm still pretty new to the 8th, how are buff auras of characters handles regarding vehicles?

For example archon in a vehicle:
-does his own vehicle reroll ones?
-do models around the vehecle reroll ones? If so from where do I messure?

Other example where archon is in the open and a filled transporter in 6". Does the infantry inside reroll ones?

Slave Posts : 8 Join date : 2018-04-04

I believe the rulebook has a section for transports that if a model is embarked in a transport its aura doesn't work.

However if the archon is on foot he can butf vehicles and as per the rules if a vehicle is buffed or debuffed then all units inside it benefit/suffer from the same buff/debuff. So yeah if an archon sits near a raider the blokes inside will benefit from his aura too provided the transport is the same kabal as the archon.

Hellion Posts : 33 Join date : 2018-04-05

Bummer. That makes a potential warlord that stays behind to give support to reavers more frail then I like..

Wych Posts : 597 Join date : 2018-04-02

Lightbox wrote:: I believe the rulebook has a section for transports that if a model is embarked in a transport its aura doesn't work.

However if the archon is on foot he can butf vehicles and as per the rules if a vehicle is buffed or debuffed then all units inside it benefit/suffer from the same buff/debuff. So yeah if an archon sits near a raider the blokes inside will benefit from his aura too provided the transport is the same kabal as the archon.

No, the rules say models that are embarked cannot be affected in any way. While the open topped rule does say modifiers impacting the vehicle also apply to the occupants, a re-roll is not a modifier.

Slave Posts : 8 Join date : 2018-04-04

withershadow wrote:: No, the rules say models that are embarked cannot be affected in any way. While the open topped rule does say modifiers impacting the vehicle also apply to the occupants, a re-roll is not a modifier.

Oh whoops! Good catch on that one.

Slave Posts : 7 Join date : 2018-02-01 Location : Paris

Hello !
So if I have an archon in a transport, which of the following can actually benefit from his aura ?

- Other unit embarked in the same transport
- The transport unit
- Unit in range outside of the transport

Incubi Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05

ArchonYllithian wrote:: Hello !
So if I have an archon in a transport, which of the following can actually benefit from his aura ?

- Other unit embarked in the same transport
- The transport unit
- Unit in range outside of the transport

None. Auras don't work when embarked.

Slave Posts : 7 Join date : 2018-02-01 Location : Paris

Mppqlmd wrote:

ArchonYllithian wrote:: Hello !
So if I have an archon in a transport, which of the following can actually benefit from his aura ?

- Other unit embarked in the same transport
- The transport unit
- Unit in range outside of the transport

None. Auras don't work when embarked.

Ok, I was pretty sure about the 2 last but not the first one.
Thanks, I guess I will have to put theses huskblades to good use :p

Slave Posts : 4 Join date : 2012-12-01

withershadow wrote:

Lightbox wrote:: I believe the rulebook has a section for transports that if a model is embarked in a transport its aura doesn't work.

However if the archon is on foot he can butf vehicles and as per the rules if a vehicle is buffed or debuffed then all units inside it benefit/suffer from the same buff/debuff. So yeah if an archon sits near a raider the blokes inside will benefit from his aura too provided the transport is the same kabal as the archon.

No, the rules say models that are embarked cannot be affected in any way. While the open topped rule does say modifiers impacting the vehicle also apply to the occupants, a re-roll is not a modifier.

Hoping you can clarify as I was just reading about this too. I understand if the character is embarked that the aura doesn't work. But if the archon is on foot within 6" of a venom full of warriors, I couldn't find any text that directly addresses this. In the BRB, I'm looking at pg 183: "Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other units within a certain range have no effect whilst the unit that has the ability is embarked." --> pg 105 of codex: Open-topped rule specifically states that "any restrictions or modifiers that apply to to this model also apply to its passengers;" so that addresses the first part of the Transport restriction, but the last part seems to refer to the unit that is granting the ability, i.e. archon in this case, which if he's outside the transport should be good to go.

Is there a strict definition of what is/isn't a "modifier" somewhere in the BRB or FAQs? My initial interpretation was that the archon's aura was a modifier (it modifies what happens when you roll a 1), but I haven't played much 8th edition so want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Wych Posts : 874 Join date : 2015-12-21

What is a restriction or modifier is something that isn't well defined.

The examples given are falling back means passengers count as having fallen back and being within 1" means the passengers count as being within 1" too.

The transport moving or advancing seems likely to count as a modifier / restriction in the same way for passengers.

You could argue that things like buffs on the transport, or Obsessions for the transport are modifiers. That doesn't feel right to me, but I don't have anything that really clearly explains what to count and what to exclude.

Slave Posts : 4 Join date : 2012-12-01

Just to close the loop, the new big FAQ directly answers this; aura's don't work on open-topped passengers.

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