How do you loadout your kabalites?

I'm starting to build my kabalites and from what I've seen blasters are a must. But what do I go for when it comes to sybarites and heavy weapons? Also do squads of 5 or 10 work best in your experience?

well imho it really depends on your list. kabalites are super versatile and can do just about any role.

personally i build/paint them in 10 man squads, with a Darklance a blaster and a shredder.

this gives me a heavy weapon and two specials if i keep them in 10man, and then i can just count them as non-special weapons/DL and remove them first if im not using specials or HA in the actual list.

if i need to split them in to 5's ill use the Darklance as a sybrite place holder.

10 men: 9 splinter rifles, 1 splinter cannon, Raider w/ splinter racks.

Minimum squads, completely stock. Occasionally I'll give them Phantasm Grenade Launchers.

Five dudes one with a blasters. The grenades are looking appealing with the points on warriors and brings them to the index cost without them.

Either 5-man squads with 1 Blaster or 10-man squads with 2 Blasters (Depending on whether I'm using Venoms or Raiders).

Ideally, I'd use 2 5-man squads in the Raiders, but the severe HQ tax we pay makes this an unattractive choice.

Currently I'm trying Agonisers on the Sabarites, since they go with Poison Tongue, but I've yet to play a game so I can't vouch for how that will go (probably not well ).

I've heard some people suggest taking a Dark Lance on 10-man squads, but I'm not sure that's a good investment. Not when it will be hitting on 4s most of the time.

I built a sybarite with a blast pistol and agoniser but so far no one has mentioned using them... Should I have just built him as a normal warrior?

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I'm currently looking at a 20 man squad to deep strike. 4 Shredders and 2 Dark Lances within an Obsidian Rose detachment. Dark Lances for anything heavy and the shredders to eliminate the usual horde that is rampant in my local meta.

Almost always: Raider - 10 man. Sybarite stock with Splinter rifle, 7 rifles, 2 Blasters. No Splinter Rack. It's a trap.

Obsidian Rose FTW.

Zormo wrote:

...blasters are a must... But what do I go for when it comes to sybarites?.. Also do squads of 5 or 10 work best in your experience?

You're right when it comes to blasters, duh, but squads of five with no heavy weapons works best for me. As you can tell from my name, I always play Kabal of the Flayed Skull in my lists so I tend to run most of my units in Kabal vehicles. I tend to fit 5-man squads of kabalite warriors with 4 splinter rifles and a blaster for 19" fast, 18" range blasters with lots of poison shots at 18".

If you go for venoms and 5 men squads, you save a lot of points which I spend on Voidravens, RWJF's and ravagers for the firepower you miss from 10 men squads with blaster and dark lance in raider.

This gives a nice variety between speed, anti-infantry and anti-vehicle while also having a couple of points left over to spend on some scourges or other detatchments to capture objectives

Also Sybarites aren't changed for easiness sake

No one taking shredders on kabalites? I'm loving my shredders so far, I have a unit of 10 in a raider with 2 shredders and a splinter cannon and it does an excellent job at taking out infantry. Granted most of my units are a mix of 10 mans with 2 blasters and 5 mans with 1 blaster depending on if they are riding in a venom or raider, but I think shredders are solid now.

Also I'd add that I think purely 5 mans is not as viable anymore if you want to run a lot of warriors. The tax of one archon per 3 kabalite warrior units sucks, but it also means I'm taking a least one 10 man unit in all my lists, probably 2 because I like to get up to around 25-30 warriors at least in all of my lists.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

No one taking shredders on kabalites?

I think what puts me off is that I already have a lot of poison in my lists that basically only works on infantry, so I'm inclined to add anti-vehicle weapons where I can.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

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Also I'd add that I think purely 5 mans is not as viable anymore if you want to run a lot of warriors. The tax of one archon per 3 kabalite warrior units sucks, but it also means I'm taking a least one 10 man unit in all my lists, probably 2 because I like to get up to around 25-30 warriors at least in all of my lists.

I agree, with this with higher points games. In many higher points you just need the heavy weapons to just  fill up the costs. When I play and mention my lists, I tend to actually play smaller games, (Right now I'm at the 650 pts mark for the Secondary school tournaments this year so I don't have much flex room.

Alternatively you could just put most of your points in a battalion seeing as they now give more CPs. Maybe have a vanguard of prophets grotesques to hold down areas and an outrider of various red grief members to bring extra support. I don't know, I'm just throwing stuff out there

I'm trying to make this decision myself right now. When the codex first came out I was pretty set on 10-man raider squads with 2 blasters and a dark lance but the more I see people dropping the lances the more I can see why. 20 points is a lot to pay for a weapon that will miss half the time.

I'll probably end up going with the same 10-man squads but replacing the dark lances with splinter cannons. My local meta is kind of light on the vehicles anyway and it'll give me some extra points to share out PGLs among my sybarites and put a few more splinter cannons on my RWJFs and venoms. I'm still not fully decided on which kabal to choose for my main battalion but whether I take flayed skull, poisoned tongue or obsidian rose the splinter cannon should work pretty well with any of them.

What do you guys think of PGLs on Kabalites (or in general)?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

What do you guys think of PGLs on Kabalites (or in general)?

I like them. I got to use the stratagem for them for the first time the other day and it hit pretty hard. At the very least it's another gun to fire in blaster range for not many points. That said I only ever take them when I have a few points left after all my other wargear.

PGL? I'd rather shoot my splinter rifle and try to kill another model. If you could fire grenades with all your other weapons it'd be worth it.

yellabelly wrote:

PGL? I'd rather shoot my splinter rifle and try to kill another model. If you could fire grenades with all your other weapons it'd be worth it.

Why can't you fire it as well as your rifle?

The rulebook says one model may throw a grenade, but that model may not fire any other weapons.

And as I type this I realise I have never actually looked at the weapon type for PGL, and just assumed it is a grenade because, well, it's a grenade.

Edit - yup it's assault. No wonder I've never quite understood taking the phantasm grenade launcher or bothered to use them

Just musing:
Phantasm grenade launchers could be useful in synergy with other moral debuffs.
Like the Dark Creed Obsession, for example.

I am actually using shredders on Flayed Skull kabalites. They are excellent in 19'' move Venoms for getting any units in cover... :-)

aurynn wrote:

I am actually using shredders on Flayed Skull kabalites. They are excellent in 19'' move Venoms for getting any units in cover... :-)

...yeah, but so are blasters combined with the other 16 splinter shots at 18", and they can take vehicles.

Personally, shredders aren't worth it. They aren't strong enough for anti-vehicle and I tend to go up against tough non-vehicles like Tyrannids, Space Marines and Orks (but mainly Tyrannids in this case) so always wounding on 4s is just too handy for basic fire with anti-vehicles

I tend to run min squads stock, I leave Shredders to my Trueborn and Blasters to my Scourges.

I just give my sybarites Splinter rifles because I don’t plan on them getting into close combat and then depending on what point game it is I’ll do either 2x5 squads in a couple raiders either with 2 blasters or 2 shredders if it’s 1500 or it’s its 2000 I’ll do a 10 man squad in a raider with 2 blasters or 2 Shredders either I want them to go against infantry or vehicles and a splinter cannon because dark lance will be hitting on 4s if you move the transport and the blasters now do D6 damage do not much need for a dark lance in the unit

10 kabalites with 1 blaster and PGL