-1 to hit on blood glaive doesn't exist

Maybe i'm wrong but the blood glaive artefact does not have the special rule under it like other artefacts. am i correct in assuming then, that there is no -1 to hit on it due to replacing the archite glaive?

seems pretty clean cut to me, just making sure i'm not missing something, never noticed this before myself.

no. you are correct.

Many armies have a relic like this that removes the -1 to hit for things like thunder hammers and power fists.

The Blood Glaive does not have the hit penalty indeed.

the regular glaive should also not have the penalty plus it should be interchangeable
i want my agoniser blast pistol SUCCubus back

AzraeI wrote:

the regular glaive should also not have the penalty plus it should be interchangeable
i want my agoniser blast pistol SUCCubus back

Turn 3 it wont make much of a difference since you will be hitting on 2's anyway unless your opponent has a -1 to hit him.

shadowseercB wrote:

AzraeI wrote:

the regular glaive should also not have the penalty plus it should be interchangeable
i want my agoniser blast pistol SUCCubus back

Turn 3 it wont make much of a difference since you will be hitting on 2's anyway unless your opponent has a -1 to hit him.

it does if you plan on using the tesla warlord trait

That trait is strife only, can't be combined with blood glaive.
But red grief should be able to get the succubus into melee turn 2. So they will get a benefit from that, on top of the already good +1 str, and great +1average damage.

yes i was talking about a regular glaive and cult of strife succubus, and how the -1 should not be on any glaive

If your going cult of strife anyway why not just take their artifact, and make them your +1 ws druggie?

because this still doesnt affect the warlord trait, just the dice roll that is required to hit

amorrowlyday wrote:

If your going cult of strife anyway why not just take their artifact, and make them your +1 ws druggie?

+1 WS doesn't counter -1 to hit. There's lot and lots of threads on this specific topic.

I know. And the conclusion they draw is you are wrong. You still fail natural ones, but it is absolutely possible to have a weapon skill of 1+, for a roll of a 2 to be reduced to a 1 but for your weapon skill to still apply because it was not an unmodified 1.

And if you want to have that conversation we can have it elsewhere.

>want agonizer blast pistol succubus back?

For modeling purposes? Because I doubt anyone will call you on one modeled like that which counts as glave+pistol.
Rules wise, I'm pretty sure you don't. Unless you are facing t6, non-vehicle units, the glaive is better starting turn 3, and even turn 2 the glaive is better against the cast majority of targets. And still then it costs 4 points left.

If you really want to pay 4 points to be better against <5% of targets, which you will still be bad against, and worse the majority of the time. Well I guess you be you.

amorrowlyday wrote:

I know. And the conclusion they draw is you are wrong. You still fail natural ones, but it is absolutely possible to have a weapon skill of 1+, for a roll of a 2 to be reduced to a 1 but for your weapon skill to still apply because it was not an unmodified 1.

And if you want to have that conversation we can have it elsewhere.

I won't re-start this debate again but while I agree with the 1+ roll, a 6+ on the modified roll is impossible (rolling from 0 to 5) and the warlord trait never trigger. It was the biggest fail of the chapter approved release.

dumpeal wrote:

a 6+ on the modified roll is impossible (rolling from 0 to 5)

Sorry, small quip, and I think it's important we make the difference very clear for new players/members to the forum in the future, You roll a 1 to 6. Your 1->6 roll is then modified to a "0 to 5."

The interaction of combat drugs, Weapon Skill and 6+ abilities is pretty funky.

WS 2+ -> 1+ with a -1 modifier, still hits 5/6 of the time, but doesn't trigger the 6+
WS 2+ -> 2+ with no modifier, hits 5/6 of the time, triggers on a 6+
WS 2+ -> 2+ with a +1 mod, hits 5/6 of the time, triggers on a 5+