themed and also comp worthy wyche list

Need help!!

Have an up and coming very competitive tonri and need some idea lists for a very competitive but themed army list.
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I pick up the codex every ten mins or so thinking about list ideas but info overload now!

Models no restrictions or limitations

Please archons you are my only hope!

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Edit: hmmm well

I have now again had a look at the book and think something like this. What people think????

Lelith Hesperax - 175

Succubus - Agoniser, HW grens - 90

7 x Harliquins - Shadowseer, Troop Master with Power weapon, All Harlie kisses - 204

10 x Wyches - 2 S&I's & HW Grens, Hekatrix with PGL and Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields and Nightshields - 260

10 x Wyches - 2 S&I's & HW Grens, Hekatrix with PGL and Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields and Nightshields - 260

10 x Wyches - 2 S&I's & HW Grens, Hekatrix with PGL and Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields and Nightshields - 260

3 x Razorwings - 3 Splinter cannons, Flickerfields and Nightshields - 525

= 1774

Not sure what to add or take away. I dont think i will have a lot of trouble with armour due to the 3 razorwings and the raiders DL's as well. Also EVERYTHING has HW grens nearly.

I dont want to take a cookie cutter list and want to keep a themed but competitive list.

Thanks all.

Please dont double post, just use the edit button if you want to add more to your post -Your friendly neighborhood SR

Ok,

couple of things first of all, where are Lelith and the Succubus riding, your raiders are full, so dropping a couple of wyches would free up your excess 24 points, can't remember off the top of my head whether or not you can still take 2 wych weapons in a squad of less than 10, so you'd need to consider that as well.

I'd dump the PGL's as you have plasma and if your wyches are getting assaulted instaed of charging in then something has gone seriously wrong and their time is probably up anyway.

I also wouldn't bother with nightshields on the wyches raiders, the aim of these units will be to get into combat as soon as, thereby making the nightshields reduction of weapons range somewhat moot.

With this theme I'd be aiming to get 4 units of wyches, probably by dropping Lelith for another succubus, dropping the options above and dropping a few wyches to get the points numbers right.

ok, Ill try to keep in mind your wants when critiquing this list.

First off I would only pick 1 of those 2 HQs. Personally I think lelith is too expensive for per points costs, and I think you should drop her for her points, or even 2 haemies w/ liquifiers.

Succubus is fine.

Ok, what purpose does the harlies serve? They are going to be slower than the rest of your force, and if you think they are going to draw fire... well then you are way off the mark. drop them and put up either a squad of bloodbrides or a squad of trueborn, your choice. (I would suggest bloodbrides, and make room for their succubus)

wyches are fine, but drop 1 member from 2 of the squads (and their 2nd wych weapon) to make room for the haemie. Now they have FNP, and he can sit in a nice protective raider and flame units all day long. Also get rid of those PGL, they are waste of points on wyches.

The 3rd wych squad I think you should drop all together and add 2 units of 5 warriors w/ blaster in venoms. The reason being is that for 10 points left you add in another scoring unit (something you desperately need) a little bit of AI shooting, which will help you get rid of troublesome units like Devs and Lootas.

Now you really need more AT, and Razorwings are dual purpose. Drop them and field 3 Ravagers instead, that way you have more AT, and more points to use elsewhere.

From here, add up the points changes, and you can probably add more to the suggested bloodbride unit, and maybe a small unit or 2 of reavers for more AT

On the basis that you're after a wych themed list, I'd take on board what the above couple of comments have said but adjust as follows.
Drop PGL, plasma grenades allow you to assault through cover so there's no need for them, your wyches should not be getting charged!
Replace harlequins with bloodbrides, a unit of 9 would allow you to have 3 wych weapons and still leave room for your succubus.
Night shields aren't really necessary for raiders that are intended to close with the enemy, their effect is going to be negated pretty much as soon as you move.
You seem to me to have a lot of shardnet and impalers, your opponent always gets at least one attack so if you're charging they're only useful against multiple attack/close combat armed units. I personally much prefer to get hydra gauntlets or razorflails in there, do a bit more damage instead of concentrating on nullifying the opposition.
I presume your razorwings have dark lances rather than dissies for anti tank? As shadows revenge says, ravagers are a better AT choice but I can see if you're theming a wych list then ravagers don't really fit as well as razorwings do.

Thanks for the advice but not wanting any Kabalites at all in the list.

Had another think and what about

Succubus - Agoniser, HW grens - 90

Succubus - Agoniser, HW grens - 90

4 Hekatrix Bloodbrides - Syren with Agoniser, HW Grens with Venom (Duel cannons) = 155

4 Hekatrix Bloodbrides - Syren with Agoniser, HW Grens with Venom (Duel cannons) = 155

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

3 x Reaver Jetbikes - Blaster, Cluster Caltrops - 101

3 x Razorwings - 3 Splinter cannons, Flickerfields and Nightshields - 525

Total = 1836





= 1774

Dont mix caltrops and blasters/heat lsnces in the same unit of reavers.

No kabalites? How about coven? Or converting a counts as Duke?

Sorry what do you mean. I mean I won't be taking the blasterborn or incubi etc just wyches and wych like stuff.

I think the Duke could be a really nice addition for your list (Everyone use drugs!!!).
Tordeck said you can make a "Count as Duke" model, like a succubus with poisoned blades or something like this
The fluff would be respected and you will gain a lot in fact of competivity

It looks good although razorflails are pretty pointless weapons. Not only can they have half of their effect removed by rolling 're-roll to wound' on combat drugs, but either way hydra gauntlets do more damage on average and shardnet+impalers are better at keeping your guys alive.


I think it would be good to change the Bloodbrides to one larger squad in a raider and switch out one Succubus for Duke Sliscus (He isn't kabalite, he's a rogue who works with wyches all the time), because with every single one of your units using combat drugs, his combat drugs rule will be excellent. I don't know how the maths on that works out exactly but I'm guessing it will leave you with some points spare, with which I would certainly give the Bloodbrides wych weapons, as the thing that they have over normal wyches is that they can have one per 3.

As above, bloodbrides would be better in a unit of nine, to maximise wych weapon options while still having the potential to attach a succubus

Well here is new list. The trueborn are private guards for the duke (that's fluff part I am playing them)

Succubus - Agoniser, HW grens - 90

Duke Sliscus - 150

8 x trueborn - 5 shardcarbines, 2 splinter cannons, HW Grens, Dracon, raider with flickerfields and splinter rack - 242

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

10 x Wyches - 2 Razorfails & HW Grens, Hekatrix with Agoniser. Raider with Flickerfields - 240

6 x Reaver Jetbikes - 2 Cluster Caltrops - 168

3 x Razorwings - Flickerfields - 465

Total = 1835

Ravager>Razorwing IMO and they might actually get to fire before they're shot down. =)

Lose the hwg, dracon and splinter racks from the TB unit.

If you wannt to keep that bodyguard ssmall you can go tb x 4 w/ 2 carbines and 2 cannons in a venom. Very deadly lil unit.

If u insist on revers then give them heat lancrs or blasters.

First off to extrapolate of the Barons comment if those Trueborn assaulted a vehicle with their grenades then they are a bunch of dead trueborn, so drop the HWG. Dracon with Trueborn is a waste of space because all he grants is CC weapon options, he doesnt give you a leadership boost. And carbines and SC's aren't affected by the splinter racks, only rifles or pistols so that's a waste if points.

Now to my advice. YOU NEED MORE TROOPS! For a 1750 list only three scoring units just won't cut it, you need more units. I don't know if anyone told you but most of the time 7 or so Wyches works just as well as 10th Wyches, just worth less points. So drop a few of the Wyches off your 10 man squads and add one or two more squads.

Also without a pain token from a haemie your Wyches will die hard if they assault a vehicle so you should be taking more shooting AT. Therefore those reavers need to have heat lance or blaster, you already have enough AI in the form of those razorwings and the trueborn. Oh and I know you want a wych army but i would still consider taking blasterborn just to make it more competitive. And use the Barons setup for the trueborn, your current setup is a point sink and make sure that succubus rides with a wyche squad not with the duke cause people will love stranding two HQ units on their own, especially the duke and a succubus.

Hi

I was of the understanding that splinter racks affect ALL Splinter weaponary?? if not will drop as they would be rubbish! if they do grant re-rolls that unit of 8 is amazing AI (Minus Dracon)

Hmmm not sure what to drop and take to make the list better. Please post some lists if you think you can make better list

Needs to be flavourful and themed!

Thx peoples!

Codex pg 63 Pistols and Rifles only

awwww hulk sad

I would personally give the duke some blood brides as a retinue not the true born as it ruins your wyche theme imo.
Keep the duke but convert your own wyche version as that would be badass!

@baron toldek - why not blaster and caltrops in the same unit?

If your using the caltropsyou not shooting the blaster and vice versa