2 Lists which is better.

Both lists are for casual play against Orks and Tyranids mostly. Tell me what you think. I know that 7 Incubi is more then enough but I am afraid of hitting a big mob of boyz or nobz.

List A comes to 1987.

Archon -110
Agoniser
Shadowfield

Incubi x 7 - 214
Raider
FF

2 x 4 Blasterborn - 173 (346)
4 Blasters
Venom
SC

2 x Wyches x 8 196 (392)
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
FF

4 x 5 Warriors - 145 (500)
Blasters
Venom
SC

3 x Ravagers - 115 (345)
FF

List B Comes in at 1750 and can add to it.

Archon - 110
Agoniser
Shadowfeild

4 Incubi – 153
Venom
Splinter Cannon

4 Blasterborn - 173
Venom
Splinter Canon

4 Blasterborn - 173
Venom
Splinter Canon

10 Kabalite Warriors – 185
blaster
splinter cannon
Raider
Flickerfield

10 Kabalite Warriors – 185
blaster
splinter cannon
Raider
Flickerfield

7 Wyches – 184
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield

7 Wyches – 184
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Flickerfield

Ravager – 115pts
Flickerfield

Ravager – 115pts
Flickerfield

Razorwing Jetfighter – 175pts
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields
Flickerfield

Without knowing what your facing it's difficult to tell.

Orks, kan wall with KFF or battlewagon nobs or massive boyz mobs with claws and rokkits.
Nids, Nidzilla or hordes or reserve shenanigans

Without knowing what your facing then it's difficult to say, other than venoms will wreck their infantry and HWG's will help against a Kan wall

Problem is my friend allways picks different things so hard to say exactly. He usually does mobs of boys with claws and nobs. But more my question is which army is better to start off with for now. My stuff is still in boxes just trying to figure out which cause I like both lists.

1st is better, but overall you dont need the 7 incubi at all, 5 w/ Archon will do fine. You can use the extra points to fill out the wych squads, or you could drop them to 7 and use the extra points for something in the FA slot... or a haemie w/ liquifer to give the incubi and Archon FNP from the start (also the archon needs a PGL to give the incubi grenades, or else they are going last when assaulting through cover)

Thanks for the replies all as much as I do not want to I will relent with the Incubi and have come up with this list for now.
List comes out to 1954. Now I can add more wyches, more incubi, switch a ravager with a razorwing, or i can switch a blaster warrior squad to a gunboat squad. What do you guys think now? Kinda leaning towards the Razorwing or more wyches since my main opponent is Ork.

Archon -135
Agoniser
Shadowfield
PGL

Incubi x 5 - 180
Raider
FF

Haemonculus - 60
Liquifier gun

2 x 4 Blasterborn - 173 (346)
4 Blasters
Venom
SC

2 x Wyches x 7 194 (388)
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Shardnet and Impalater
Raider
FF

4 x 5 Warriors - 145 (500)
Blasters
Venom
SC

3 x Ravagers - 115 (345)
FF

Vs hordes, a razorwing with shatterfield is a killer, especially if you upgrade the darklances to disintegrators - s5ap2 heavy3/weapon...nice. Add combat drugs to the archon, cascet to haemi - and pray to the dice gods - switch a ravager with a shatterwing...1964. And start adding wyches. 3 additional w HWG is 36, wuala, 2k

Updated list comes to 2004.

Archon -135
Agoniser
Shadowfield
PGL

Incubi x 5 - 180
Raider
FF

Haemonculus - 60
Liquifier gun

2 x 4 Blasterborn - 173 (346)
4 Blasters
Venom
SC

2 x Wyches x 7 194 (388)
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Haywire Grenades
Shardnet and Impalater
Raider
FF

4 x 5 Warriors - 145 (500)
Blasters
Venom
SC

2 x Ravagers - 115 (230)
FF

Razorwing - 165
Dissies
SC
FF

I was thinking maybe of getting rid of the Haemonculus or drop a blasterborn from each squad and use thier points to fill out the Wyhces and a few other upgrades.

I'm assuming the archon goes with the incubi. As such you need to find the points to get him a PGL.

or lose two venoms under the warriors, and have them only babysit objectives, and you will have a lot of points. I've seen a list with two warriors of 5 with blasters and 11-12 wytches wyth a hekatrix on foot and it wonderful vs ravenguard.

He has a PGL baron.

@ pun3D what baron? He has an archon nerd rage.

Enfernux wrote:

@ pun3D what baron? He has an archon nerd rage.

Noooo. Lol anyway yes the archon has a PGL.

Thats what i get for skimming and not reading every post

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And knowledge is power. Power to overthrow other Archons. And if that is by reading, then so be it