Dark Eldar and Allies

You are correct in that Eldar psychic powers cannot target specific models (except for Mind War) however I'm pretty sure a Farseer can elect to cast the power on himself or the unit he is with. For instance, if a Farseer cast Fortune on himself and then left a unit of Dire Avengers to join a unit of Striking Scorpions, the Striking Scorpions would then gain Fortune, not the Dire Avengers. If the Farseer cast Fortune on the Dire Avengers then left to join the Striking Scorpions, the Dire Avengers would keep the power and the Striking Scorpions wouldn't benefit.

At least, this is how I've always assumed it to work and I remember this was also the conclusion they came to on 40k Online (used to be EldarOnline) when they discussed this a while back.

and if a unite has two types of unite types - sounds krazy huh? - what can we take it for?

Azdrubael wrote:

You can. But you cant cast it on model basis if i understand it correct, only on units.

SO the only way of doing this will be to cast fortune on Farseer while he isnt part of the unit, then join the unit.

I for one dont see why you cant. Considering the Farseer is an Eldar unit. And how it is worded all it has to do is target an Eldar unit, and then the entire unit gains...

As for if the Farseer joining another unit negates him from being an Eldar unit, I would guess is up to the TO.

I too have been seriously considering a Jetbike Farseer and some GJB for my dark eldar army but what I wanted to know is do you guys think that other armies psykers are that powerful and prevalent that the psychic defense that the Farseer brings is going to be needed at a competitive level?

Hi,
I'm not too fond of Eldar, so I'm using Orks.

Variant A] How was mentioned - Warboss on bike, with nobs on bikes (klaws and kombi scorchas)

Variant B]
Bik Mek with Shock attack gun (that is a fun weapon to use...)
10 grechins with runtherd - no need to waste points on troops - good cover providing slaves.
5xdeffkopta (rokkits,optional buzzsaws) -
9xlootaz -- good anti air support.

RocketRollRebel wrote:

I too have been seriously considering a Jetbike Farseer and some GJB for my dark eldar army but what I wanted to know is do you guys think that other armies psykers are that powerful and prevalent that the psychic defense that the Farseer brings is going to be needed at a competitive level?

I think with the lessening of the defence psychic hoods offer against psykers and all the new powers, you will be seeing psykers more often. The Farseer brings one of the best psychic defences in the game, capable of not just stopping enemy powers but also increasing the number of Perils, which now bypass all but the most specialist saves and are so more deadly than before.

Don't forget that a Farseer doesn't just bring amazing psychic defence but also some pretty handy powers. A simple Doom or Fortune Seer can help boost damage output or make your Archon very hard to kill. I think both Divination and Telepathy are also brilliant disciplines with Divination easily slotting in and buffing any army, plus all those powers only have 1 warp charge. If you roll a power that isn't especially useful, you can always swap it out for Prescience which will never fail to be a great help.

Not mandatory by any means and probably not the best choice in smaller games but in games of 1500pts and above, they are a serious consideration. Never underestimate the value of even a basic Farseer with just 1 power and runes of warding.

I'm finding a foot farseer and pathfinders to be ace.

xv8 battlesuits ds, twin flamer, shield generator, boo ya cover save, ap 5, rangers/pathfinders have 5up as, bb gents.
blasts ignoring cover save, boo ya again. Rangers/PFs shooting effectiveness...well...not really. For 95pts, 5 shots a turn that have chance to be ap 1 and a minimal after that to be rending...for 120, you just improve your c.save.

just my thoughts though, for i did play a lot of tau, and i did have suicide flamer squads, and was suit heavy.

Drager wrote:

I'm finding a foot farseer and pathfinders to be ace.

Great. This is what stood out for me. A farseer with Warding, three powers and spirit stones + a few sniper scum seemed affordable and useful. The pathfinders seem perfect for babysitting objectives while the farseer is a bufflord.

Which lead me to think, what else from the eldar codex is worthwhile? I mean, if I've got the HQ and troops, then I can take something fun, right..? Warwalker squadron.....?

Guidebot wrote:

Drager wrote:

I'm finding a foot farseer and pathfinders to be ace.

Great. This is what stood out for me. A farseer with Warding, three powers and spirit stones + a few sniper scum seemed affordable and useful. The pathfinders seem perfect for babysitting objectives while the farseer is a bufflord.

Which lead me to think, what else from the eldar codex is worthwhile? I mean, if I've got the HQ and troops, then I can take something fun, right..? Warwalker squadron.....?

Three Warwalkers with shuriken cannons are dirt cheap and can get Fortuned for some impressive light transport and AA defense.

I don't understand the obsession with fielding friendly Eldar.

Lemme see, let's take an army full of high firepower, low toughness units, and add MORE of the same?
How about giving them allies that provide something Dark Eldar DON'T have, like Terminators, durable heavy vehicles, etc? Let's not forget that Chaos is coming soon, they'd be perfect allies, both in theme and in playability.

Arrex wrote:

I don't understand the obsession with fielding friendly Eldar.

Lemme see, let's take an army full of high firepower, low toughness units, and add MORE of the same?
How about giving them allies that provide something Dark Eldar DON'T have, like Terminators, durable heavy vehicles, etc? Let's not forget that Chaos is coming soon, they'd be perfect allies, both in theme and in playability.

Well, even though they are indeed rather similar, the fact they are so enables them to fit in nicely with our gameplay. Your forces must complement each other. Although I see reason behind sticking some chunky, durable units in to make up for our lack of them, you need to ensure they work with your main force. The Eldar also have several elements that we don't have such as psychic powers. Don't forget the Eldar and Dark Eldar were once both part of the Ancient Eldar race that split in half, Eldar retaining the psychic powers while the Deldar kept the martial strength. Therefore, re-uniting them is quite cool in that you get a sense of just how powerful their race was before The Fall. The fact they're Battle Brothers (the only Battle Brothers Deldar have, in fact) is also quite a contributing factor. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on how a Dark Eldar and Chaos are thematically perfect allies, especially given the fact they are Desperate Allies.

War Walkers with either shuriken cannons or scatter lasers can provide a good amount of cheap dakka capable of both shredding infantry and glancing vehicles to death. If boosted by Guide or Prescience, they become even more effective (don't forget they are only piloted by Guardians and so are BS 3.) and can even provide reasonable anti-flyer firepower.

The problem, is all our other allies are desperate allies. Which means they can't score, contest and mess with out own units if they are too close.

I don't understand how chaos are thematic allies with DE?

I love the idea of 5 meganobs witha a megawarboss in a truck @ around <400 points. Their job is to suck up fire, they wreck face in CC and 2+ is the new gold standard. Nerf assault will you? Ill bring the most assulty thing I can! They zoom off and get stuck in, so you shouldnt have to worry about watching their backs, and hey if that monoscythe missile scatters who cares? They are desperate "allies"...heh...

@ Darkgreen Pirate: I too am an ork player and as much as i love them i would never mix them with my DE. they just dont go together. its like putting steak in your ice cream. both option are good but by themselves. thats my opinion at least.

they dont go together because they really dont compliment eachother and fluff wise its rather silly.

but steak and ice cream can be yummy once in a while.....

I see your point, I guess Im just a Space Pirate at heart. Orky space pirates and Dark Eldar Corsairs with "duped/drugged" slaves makes sense to me, anything can be fluffy if you take the time to write it. Just ask Dan Abnett and how killy Imperial Guard are....

Most of our allies, even the Eldar imho, dont make "sense", thats why we get that desperate ally column. Who wants to ally with the most evil, wicked, notorious race in the galaxy? The only army with less friends than us are tyranid, says alot doesnt it!

honestly i liked it better fluffwise when everyone hated DE and we hated them back (even more). the DE were seemed more evil than they do now. being battle brothers has its benefits, but i sorta wish we still hated everyone

Artistically Chaos and Dark Eldar are relatively similar, with both of them looking like baroque raiders. Colors are pretty similar, both are "evil".

Now if you wanna be a fluff nazi (A totally wasteful and redundant position given Matt Ward's penchant for justifying the most ridiculously unlikely alliances conceivable), I'll just say Fabius Bile. Bam, there's a traitor from the Emperor's Children consorting with the race his god wants to feast on. Now if a Slaaneshi marine can enter Commoragh, what's so unlikely about something like Black Legion temporarily allying with a Dark Eldar raiding force?

Thematically though, I'd probably go Night Lords...

I'm a little late to this post but I will tell you that a Farseer and Pathfinders are great at objective holding until something that ignores cover saves comes along and wipes the squad. When 6th first dropped I took them quite regularly but have since started to explore other options.

I've been experimenting with a Farseer and Reavers, seems like it has a lot of potential, just not that great at assaulting. Strictly for shooting and harassment.

The next combo I'm going to try is the Farseer on a EJB with 20 Hellions and the Baron. Will be a bit of a point sink but fortune and guide make those 40 splinter shots nasty and it allows me re-rolls on any saves I fail.

Overall I'm loving the Farseer in my list. It has lots of possible builds, the psychic defense is great and frustrates opponents.

I don't think that the Dark Eldar should become allies with anybody other than the Craftworlders, even then they should be united by Harlequins and it should be very rare.
Night Lords, however, could work for one of the radical warbands of Night Lords.

@Blackouts: I prefer to think that we hold everyone else in contempt, and very few people know about us.

Arrex wrote:

Artistically Chaos and Dark Eldar are relatively similar, with both of them looking like baroque raiders. Colors are pretty similar, both are "evil".

Now if you wanna be a fluff nazi (A totally wasteful and redundant position given Matt Ward's penchant for justifying the most ridiculously unlikely alliances conceivable), I'll just say Fabius Bile. Bam, there's a traitor from the Emperor's Children consorting with the race his god wants to feast on. Now if a Slaaneshi marine can enter Commoragh, what's so unlikely about something like Black Legion temporarily allying with a Dark Eldar raiding force?

Exactly, both Chaos and Dark Eldar are evil and would like nothing better than tearing apart anything that is not Chaos or Eldar respectively.

Just because Matt Ward writes very dodgy fluff, does not mean that we can throw fluff out the window. I for one am sticking to the fluff even if one of GW's main writers isn't very much. I'd also say that 1 Chaos guy does not provide enough basis for an entire alliance. If you have Fabius in the Chaos force and the Dark Eldar force is themed around the Covens than ok. Otherwise? Not really. Chaos (and Necrons and Tyranids) will always be nothing but enemies to the entirety of the Eldar race. Both Chaos and Necrons are arch-enemies with the Eldar and I could only see them allying in the most desperate circumstances imaginable, as represented by Desperate Allies. Even then, I doubt it. I think the only reason they weren't given "Come the Apocalypse!" status is so players can re-create that one time an Archon made a Daemonic pact in the fluff in an attempt to unseat Vect. Not that it even came close to working, of course.

Also, as has already been mentioned, Dark Eldar are one of the most untrustworthy races in the galaxy and very unlikely to ally with anyone unless it involves capturing more slaves and they can then stab their "allies" in the back afterwards.

Chaos and Necrons are arch enemies of Craftworld Eldar. No one said anything about Dark Eldar, aside from Slaanesh snacking on them, the other three Chaos Gods aren't terribly interested in their souls. There's plenty of plausible justifications for Chaos allies, particularly given the scheming of Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, etc. It really seems like a stretch to say that the most depraved of Eldar aren't going to ally with Chaos for some sorta moral reasons.

What about Mandrakes? Seems like about as close as you get to "Possessed Eldar" to me.

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Chaos and Necrons are arch enemies of Craftworld Eldar. No one said anything about Dark Eldar, aside from Slaanesh snacking on them, the other three Chaos Gods aren't terribly interested in their souls.

Chaos Marines on the other hand has not quite lost their hatred towards anything Xenos.

CWE and DE discussion: if a Harlequin sais you ally, you ally. Even Vect would with Eldrad...come to think of it...one snatches initiative, bot replace x squads, Eldrad can psy-defend, Vect can wreck face...i have a nasty master plan, that needs to be tested.