1500 Starter List

This is my first list, using almost all that I have. Still have a few spare raiders though, purchased a few too many heh. Originally, had the wyches as 2 units of 7 with HekkiAgonizer, Shardnet/Impaler and Haywire Grenades.

Debating dropping the Wyches to a unit of 9 bloodbrides with Shardnet/Impalers for the Succy to ride with, and add in Urien to make the Grots uber-grotesques.

HQ:

Succubus = 85
-Agonizer

Haemonculus = 115
-Liquifier Gun
-Flesh Gauntlet
-Webway Portal

Elites:

Grotesques = 255
-3 Grots w/ Liquifier Gun
-1 Abberation w/ Venom Blade
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Troops:

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Wyches = 210
-14 Wyches
-3 Hydragauntlets
-1 Hekatrix w/ Agonizer

Heavy Support:

Talos Pain Engine = 125
-Ichor Injector
-Extra CCW
-Stinger Pod

Ravager = 125
-Flickerfield
-Night Shields

1500/1500

Thoughts?

The primary job of Wytches is to Tarpit and bog things down. I suspect you want the 14-strong squad to be killier than it actually will be. I would replace it with something seriously nasty, such as another Talos, more Grots, Incubi or a Beastermaster and friends. Note also that Hydra Gauntlets are not very effective (some mathhammer is involved).

Also: why do you have a WWP? It's probably not worth it for just the Talos and Wytches. Arguably better to put the Wytches on a raider and drop the Talos entirely.

Finally, I really don't rate Bloodbrides - they do the same job as wytches, but for more points and can't score. Urien isn't really worth it in your list because you waste his +D3 pain tokens, having only one unit that can gain them. Personally, I don't like having both Flickerfield AND night shields on transports, but that's personal preference. I also rate Chain flails much higher than the ichor injector on the Talos.

Fleshmoulder_Greiil wrote:

HQ:

Succubus = 85
-Agonizer

Haemonculus = 115
-Liquifier Gun
-Flesh Gauntlet
-Webway Portal

Not bad 2 WWP's are usually best but in this case you only have 2 units coming in through them so not to worry

Elites:

Grotesques = 255
-3 Grots w/ Liquifier Gun
-1 Abberation w/ Venom Blade
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields
Not tried grots (just finished building mine) so have no real opinion

Troops:

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields

Kabalite Warriors = 195
-10 Warriors
-Splinter Cannon
-Blaster
-Raider w/ Flickerfield, Night Shields
I'd suggest dropping one of these units to 9 (yes you will lose the splinter cannon) as this will allow you to drop the WWP far more efficently in DOW warriors,raider and haemie = 2 troops and 1 hq. If you needed points elsewhere you could even drop it to 5 but thats up to you.

Wyches = 210
-14 Wyches
-3 Hydragauntlets
-1 Hekatrix w/ Agonizer
Haywires! always take haywires, special weapons are down to personal preference but grenades are a nessecity.

Heavy Support:

Talos Pain Engine = 125
-Ichor Injector
-Extra CCW
-Stinger Pod
I quite like the ichor injector it's like a cut price huskblade though the stinger pod is a bit lacklustre and try and get another weapon system (my preference is haywire blaster YMMV)


Ravager = 125
-Flickerfield
-Night Shields
Industry Standard

1500/1500

Thoughts?

My comments in red

Not bad only glaring problem is lack of grenades on the wyches. I love nightshield and flickerfields on all my vehicles too it works well.

Taking some of your suggestions, how does something like this sound?

HQ:

Haemonculus = 320
-Ancient w/ Flesh Gauntlet, Liquifier Gun, Vexator Mask (joins Grots)
-Haemonculus w/ Hexrifle, Webway Portal (joins Warriors A)
-Haemonculus w/ Hexrifle, Webway Portal (joins Warriors B)

Elites:

Grotesques = 210
-4 'Normal' Grots w/ 1 Liquifier Gun
-1 Aberration w/ Scissorhand
(held in reserve w/ Ancient to emerge from WWP)

Troops:

Kabalite Warriors A - 140
-5 Warriors w/ Blaster
-Raider w/ Night Shields, Flickerfield

Kabalite Warriors B - 140
-5 Warriors w/ Blaster
-Raider w/ Night Shields, Flickerfield

Kabalite Warriors C - 195
-10 Warriors w/ Blaster, Splinter Cannon
-Raider w/ Night Shields, Flickerfield

Wyches = 240
-14 Wyches w/ 3 Shardnet & Impalers, Haywire Grenades
-Hekatrix w/ Agonizer, Haywire Grenades
(held in reserve)

Heavy Support:

Talos Pain Engine = 125
-Ichor Injector (can swap for Chain Flails after playtesting)
-Extra CCW
-TL Haywire Blaster (I liked the splinter pod for S5 and being 2 blasts, so didnt rely as much on BS 3)
(held in reserve)

Ravager = 125
-Night Shields
-Flickerfield

1495/1500

Switching to Chain Flails on the Talos puts me at 1500/1500, have 2 WWP delivery systems that can sit on an objective should they survive after activating the portals. I may later experiment with Wracks, but I want to play with what I have and finish modeling/painting before getting much further invested.