1850 Competitive List Critiques Wanted

Duke Siliscus

Elites

7 Trueborn (5x Shardcarbine, 2x Splinter Cannons, Haywire Grenades)
Raider (Dizzy, Night Shields)

Troops

8 Wyches (Haywire Grenades)
Hekatrix (Haywire Grenades, Agonizer)
Raider (Dizzy, Night Shields)

8 Wyches (Haywire Grenades)
Hekatrix (Haywire Grenades, Agonizer)
Raider (Dizzy, Night Shields)

10 Kabalite Warriors (Blaster, Splinter Cannon)
Raider (Dizzy, Night Shields)

10 Kabalite Warriors (Blaster, Splinter Cannon)
Raider (Dizzy, Night Shields)

Fast

5 Reavers (Blaster)

5 Reavers (Blaster)

5 Reavers (Blaster)

Heavy

Ravager (Night Shields)

Ravager (Night Shields)

Ravager (Night Shields)

1845pts

The idea right now is to have an all comers list that should be able to deal with most of the armies. I am curious to see if there is anything that this list wont be able to handle. Please critique it and let me know of any ideas or changes that you guys come up with.

This is a great list with some real nasties. I've really liked the idea of the Duke of late. However if I may give some advice:

Reavers should really be taken in multiples of 3 and are run more often than not as 6 or 9 to get 2 or 3 special weapons. NS on the wych Raiders aren't as useful as on the warrior's as they'll be getting up close to disembark anyway so only really get these if you have points entirely to spare. Or just swap them for PGLs. There is a strong case for pretty much always taking a PGL for every Hekatrix so I'd say this is worth it. (Stealth when getting shot within 8" so charging out of your downed raider into enemy fire gives you a 4+ save. Also people often don't take blasters on the warriors as you want to be firing at infantry with all those splinter shots. If you do this though I'd keep the DL on the Raider.

If you can squeeze out enough points to have 3 squads of 6 reavers or imo 2 squads of 9 is better, I think your list will dramatically improve.

Hope this helps.

I would drop the TB unit down to 4 w/ 2 Cannons and 2 Carbines in Venom w/ Duke then up the Reavers to 6 giving them a 2d weapon option, prolly Heat Lances...

Well, there is to litle AT to be competitive really.

Also the troops, wyches and warriors you are using as multi purpose units now, something I dont think is very good point spending. Also reducing the Reavers to 3 in each group.

This list would be good against an infantary team with very few veichles. But facing a heavy mech list you would be in serious trouble.

I dont know what you got to work with but I sugest either:
3/4 Truborns with Blasters in venom/raider
5 man warrior groups with blaster in raider/venom.

I'd suggest dropping the reavers from 3 squads of 5 to 2 squads of 6 but giving each squad 2 heatlances. That will actually save you 63 points which could be used to bring each Wych squad up to 10-man and give them a PGL and maybe 1 or 2 special weapons?

Count Adhemar wrote:

I'd suggest dropping the reavers from 3 squads of 5 to 2 squads of 6 but giving each squad 2 heatlances.

Seconded, and I'd suggest swapping out a Ravager for a Razorwing, perhaps purchased with the points saved on these squads and one Ravager. Hoping to not face any flyers is optimistic at best, and unless you get lucky with objectives you have practically no response to even one or two aircraft. Disintegrators won't hurt the tougher flyers, like the Heldrake or Vendetta, even if they hit, and if you're firing your Ravagers at them you're probably just going to waste a lot of potentially tank killing shots, which will be exactly what your opponent will be hoping you do. With a Razorwing, you lose one dark lance, but gain the ability to take on enemy flyers with our excellent ballistic skill, plus it can still kill tanks anyway, as well as infantry. Give it a Flickerfield so it never has to evade too, and you will (to quote miniwargaming Dave) love your life!

hey guys i want tho thank you for all the critiques and comments left for me. This weekend I got 4 games in (unfortunately all with the New CSM codex) with this edition of the list.

Duke Siliscus

7 Trueborn (5 shardcarbines, 2 SCannons, and Haywire grenades) w/raider dizzy NS

I felt with the action that my HQ was going to be receiving i needed all the squads capable of taking him to be sizable enough to take a few hits before coming down to rolling the 2+ shadowfield rolls. They do put out some hate towards land walking units though.

2x 9 wyches (haywire grenades)
hekatrix (agonizer PGL)

I was quite surprised at the Phantasm Grenade Launcher suggestion to be honest, so i added them and gave it a shot and it worked out very well. its nice having saves during overwatch. Thank you guys very much, i would never have thought about trying them.

2x kabalite warriors (SCannon) w/raider dizzy NS)

I removed the blaster in this squad, might try and put a shredder in.

3x 5 Reavers (heat lance)

I know that you guys have highly suggested that I either reduce the squad sizes to 3 or bolster them to 6, I may do so over the coming weeks and months while i double check the effectiveness of the duke and his trueborn squad. My reasoning to keep the squads like this for now is so that i don't have to do a leadership test when I lose a single bike in a shooting phase. Also having 3 squads also forces my opponent to have to deal with 3 different targets coming down his throat rather than just 2.

3x Ravager (NS)

I"ve tested the jet(s) before in this list, i am of the opinion that in order to run 'a' jet you might as well run 2 jets. I don't think that they do enough for me singular, and that 18" dead zone that jets have i think is a deal breaker. The only one that i KNOW that i cannot deal with on a large scale is the Doom Scythe, but that thing needs to have a FAQ asap.

1850pts even

I think this list runs as good as it can, I know I'm definitely getting tired of going second without flicker shields. I am starting to think that i am going to blow off some steam and make a 'crazy person' list of some sort. Tell me what you guys think, I'd love to hear your feedback.