Interesting Netlist

Found this article on the net. The list the author is playing with is:

HQ
Archon
Husk Blade, Soul Trap, H.Grenades, C.Drugs, Shadowfield

Baron

Farseer
Runes of Warding, Doom

Troops
Warriors
S.Cannon, Shredder
Raider Splinter Racks, Night Shields

Warriors
S.Cannon, Shredder

Wyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider
Aether Sails, Shock Prow

Hellions
Helliarch, Agonizer

Guardian Jetbikes (3)

Elites
Fire Dragons
Exarch, Pike, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

Fast Attack

Heavy Support
Ravager

Ravager
Disentegrators

Razorwing

Fortifications
Aegis
Quad Gun

Totals: 1750

I just wondered what people thought of this list as I took one look at it and started crossing stuff off it until it left almost nothing. Shredders in warrior squads? Shock Prow on a Raider with Wyches? Are you trying to blow up your own troops? Hellions? Trying to convince me that Farseers can ride in a Raider? Only one power on the Farseer? And this is from a guy who runs and plays in tournaments and generally does reasonably well?

Just thought it was strange that people might actually think this is a decent list!

You know, this actually reminds me of the my first real game of Warhammer 40,000. It was a 5th edition LGS tournament. I brought what I could because I just didn't have everything I (thought) would normally have used. Everyone kind of scratched their heads and said "I thought that Dark Eldar could only be competitive out of a Web Way Porthole."


As it turns out, the only other guy that played Dark Eldar tried tried to play foot-dar. What I got out of this that a person's perception of what is good is directly related to how long they spend on the internet versus what they actually play.

Its actually really simple to break down Adhemer, lets go through each unit one by one.

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HQ
Archon
Husk Blade, Soul Trap, H.Grenades, C.Drugs, Shadowfield

basically made to be a challenge machine. Thats his job

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Baron

For the +1 to go first and make hellions troops, infact is probably the only way hellions are viable are with him

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Farseer
Runes of Warding, Doom

Doom + wych units do equal awesomeness. I tried it when I did my all wych cult army, and I will admit he is right. I ended up not following through with it because of the too many ifs involved in getting the unit to work, but he is sticking to only one wych unit, so atleast his farseer doesnt have to be everywhere at once. Also giving you one of the best psy defense in the game for cheap is also good.

Also add in the fact that his interpretation of the rules, if they were true, would work. Sadly he even admit he sees the other side, but ofc like most WAAC players when proven wrong, they fight to the bitter in. I highly doubt any tournament not run by his buddies would allow him to put the farseer in the raider, but its all comes down to where he plays.

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Troops
Warriors
S.Cannon, Shredder
Raider Splinter Racks, Night Shields

Warriors
S.Cannon, Shredder

As for the shredders, you will see them more and more as the knee jerk reaction to 6th keeps making people want to run huge blobs of infantry. Basically making them not being able to miss makes them decent, but personally I would never run them. Also the 15 man squad is there for a "home field sitter" behind his ADL... again a tactic I would never use, and in fact I havent seen it used well yet, but people keep praising it for some reason... maybe Im just too good of a player and can cercumvent it everytime... but what do I know

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Wyches
Hekatrix, Agoniser
Raider
Aether Sails, Shock Prow

For the Archon/Farseer. The only weird choice is the shock prow, which helps you to pull these huge blobs outside of cover. The one thing he forgot is that you cant disembark after tank shock, which makes them pointless on an assault raider. While its a decent idea... its still flawed, but I see where he is coming from.

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Hellions
Helliarch, Agonizer

Ugh... hellions... but he even admits he just loves them... personally my only change if I HAD to run them is I would also give the Helliarch a PGL so Baron could run off if he had too

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Guardian Jetbikes (3)

Standard CWE ally troop choice... solid...

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Elites
Fire Dragons
Exarch, Pike, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

This is for the quad gun. Ive seen this many times, and personally I dont like it. I understand the purpose... Why waste so many points in melta gun for a autocannon that ignores cover saves??? so... meh... plus its only a defense against 1 flyer... And when you add in the points for the unit + the points for the gun, you could have had a flyer of your own... Maybe a nightwing (very good dogfighter)

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Heavy Support
Ravager

Ravager
Disentegrators

Razorwing

Speaking of dogfighter, he has a razorwing... but Ill get to that later

First off I dont think he has enough AT, so that dissie Rav is a waste. dark lance also = anti-terminator. And while it doesnt shoot at such a weight as a dissie does, your splinterfire can do the same thing. That being said if he really wanted dissies, the spot to take them would be the razorwing. With its missles that it cant shoot at planes anyway, the razorwing is one of our best AI platforms. Sadly people thing "ZOMG!!! What am I going to do against CronAir??? Oh Ill just take a Quad Gun and a plane, thatll do!!!" If he really wanted AA, he should of taken a Void Raven... Also then I would argue that the dissies were a better choice because of the AT brought by the void raven... but as its stands I think he has his HS mix-matched...

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Fortifications
Aegis
Quad Gun

Ah the kind of most over-rated item taken. I hate ADL... I feel that they have almost no place in our army. I feel that they are waste of points, and when I see one across the table I am actually glad they spent the points on it and not something else. I feel its a crutch that players lean on for a safety net of "AA" and its cover to protect their home objective. These people forget that it is immobile, and can easily be moved around. They forget their "AA" is only a 2 wound model, and can easily be taken out. They become this immobile block that is so easily avoided or delt with, its a joke really.

But... while I sound harsh on the ADL, I will say that it does bring something to certain armies. That being said while I think DE should not be one of those armies, this one does get alot from it. it gets some light reliable AT with the quad gun + fire dragons. It also gives the 15+ warriors a nice safe spot to sit, and gives the hellions some survivability T1. While I dont like the ADL, I do like it in this list...

But then again, I would never build a list like this... ever...

Dear Shadow revenge!
I almost always find it hard to disagree with almost everything you talk about. You seem to have a great understanding of how dark eldar and the game actually works.(not what should work in theory).
That is hard to find. Especially on forums.
It's just nice to read something on a forum that doesn't make me vomit in my mouth a little bit.
So thanks for being a solid forum guy that doesn't make me gag. Your kind are few

@Shadows - I can see what each unit potentially is capable of but the list as a whole is...strange! He essentially has one assalt unit (the Wyches) in one of only 2 Raiders, the other of which presumably hangs back a bit. Guess what has a huge Bullseye painted on its hull? It will explode long before the Wyches are able to get anywhere near the enemy and it will take half the unit with it and will probably give away First Blood. And the rest of the unit, with or without a Doomseer, will get shot to death shortly thereafter, giving Slay the Warlord. He's trying to make a mini Death Star with T3, 6+ save troops!

The Warrior units I have no issue with other than Shredders, which are pointless IMO. Nobody will ever convince me that a 12" range small blast with AP- is of any real use.

The Hellions he doesn't take into account the new rules for cover and the difficulties of getting such a large unit to benefit from it.

Guardian Jetbikes I just don't see the fuss about, especially not when there's only 3 of them. Pretty much any shooting unit in the game will take them out in a single turn. Only hope is to hide them out of LOS (not easy with a relatively large model on a flying stand) and try to grab/deny an objective on Turn 5.

The Fire Dragons are a decent unit but I just destroy the Quadgun and leave them stranded in the backfield with short range weapons and no transport.

Ravagers and Razorwing I have no problem with but the list as a whole lacks AT so I think I'd ditch the disintegrators and keep dark lances.

Anyhoo, if I turned up at a tournament and found myself facing that list I would fully expect to table him in about 4 turns with pretty much any decent list.

very true, and I would be happy to see this list as well. Im guessing he is hoping that the hellions/ blob of warriors are scary enough to draw fire from his raiders, but overall I dont see that being the case, especially when one is sitting far back behind an ADL and not moving.

On top of that, I feel that his vehicles are just out of place. If he is going for this foot style army, why not just go all the way??? Add in some scourges with dark lances, or atleast some lanceborn, and drop the tanks all together? They just seem to be a liability to me as well...