list help needed

Hi all

After starting 40k in April last year I moved on from my csm force to my secret love child army the dark elder completely Un aware due to ignorance and being blind sided by how cool the minis just how unforgiving in battle these guys are.

I really struggle to build lists or if I build good list I don't know how best to use it any help would be appreciated. I currently own

2 archon
1 lelith
1 drazhar
1 haemonculous
10 incubi
10 wracks
30 warriors
30 Wyches
10 scourges
7 reaver jet bikes
1 raider
3 venoms
1 ravager
1 razorwing
1 pain engine
1 parasite engine

The best thing for you is to try to do a list with the models you woul like to have in it... and then, we can give you some advice. DE aren't a no brainer army and with your model you can do a lot of different lists.

YOU have to try to do one

I've tried a few just can't find the right balance. Obviously I'd like my transports. I'll make a list and go on from there to post it on here

Looks like you need moar raidaz n ravagez

I've been thinking of adding 2 venoms 2 raiders 1 ravager I also have another boxed up flyer.

the problem you've got here is that you havent got enough transports to play to our strengths; speed and mobility.

if you want to play a game over about 750pts you're gonna need to incorporate a foot-slogging element to the list. you could maybe try for a webway portal style list (which isnt easy to play) or a hybrid mech-foot list.

you would have something like:

HQ: 200-250pts depending on gear
Archon-combat gear
Heamy-liquifier

Elites: 300pts ish
x4 trueborn, blasters (venom) anti tank duties
x4 incubi (venom) {archon goes here}

Troops: 400pts ish
10 warriors, splinter cannon (raider, racks and choice of FF/NS) standard AI unit
x5 wyches, haywires (venom) countercharge and tank busting
x10 wracks (liquifier + seargant upgrades) {heamy here} go for midfield objective with the monsters

Fast: 350pts
reavers with blasters/CC- extra tank busting and AI duties
scourges with cannons

Heavy: (350ish pts)
Ravager (NS/FF)
Talos, heat lance, +CC weap + chain flails
Chronos, all upgrades

you'd basically have two groups here:
1- incubi, wyches, trueborn, ravager, warriors. they are all mobile and can work in CC and at ranged AI + AT
2- wracks, chronos and talos, scourges + reavers. they can all threaten tanks and have enough AI support to be capable of survival for a while. the big monsters should draw enough fire that the wracks survive. chronos and scourges pump out a lot of AI, reavers and talos are decent AT

this should put you somewhere in the 1500-1600 point mark depending on gear and options.
if your enemy plays with lots of flyers, then you'd probably be better off taking a razorwing instead of the chronos. it can shoot flyers and still has plenty of pie-plates to deal with infantry if you need it.

Cheers for that advice.

I totally agree I need a lot more transport so I'm going to hopefully soon get 2 more raiders and 2 more venoms.

Foot slogging really won't go down to we'll against my usual opponents (guard, marines and nids occasionally crons) and Web way portals are complicated things to use

filth (1487pts)

1500pt Dark Eldar 6th Ed (2010) Roster (Primary Detachment)

Dark Eldar 6th Ed (2010) (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ (120pts)

Haemonculus (120pts)
Altered Physique, Independent Character, Night Vision, Power from Pain
Haemonculus (120pts)
Hexrifle (15pts), Power Weapon (10pts), Soul-Trap (10pts), Stinger Pistol (5pts), Upgrade to Haemonculus Ancient (30pts)
Elites (210pts)

Kabalite Trueborn (210pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
5x Trueborn (135pts)
4x Blaster (60pts), 5x Plasma Grenades (5pts), Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Venom (75pts)
Flickerfield, Nightshield (10pts), Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Troops (545pts)

Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
5x Kabalite Warrior (45pts)
5x Splinter Rifle
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
5x Kabalite Warrior (45pts)
5x Splinter Rifle
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Kabalite Warriors (180pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
9x Kabalite Warrior (81pts)
9x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (19pts)
Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Raider (80pts)
Dark Lance, Nightshield (10pts), Splinter Racks (10pts)
Wracks (Troops) (145pts)
Altered Physique, Night Vision, Power from Pain
2x Liquifier Gun (20pts), 9x Wracks (90pts)
Acothyst (35pts)
Hexrifle (15pts)
Fast Attack (202pts)

Reaver Jetbikes (202pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders
2x Blaster (30pts), 2x Cluster catrops (40pts), 6x Jetbikes (132pts)
Heavy Support (410pts)

Cronos Parasite Engine (110pts)
Fearless, Move through Cover, Night Vision, Power from Pain
Close Combat Weapon, Spirit Probe (10pts), Spirit Syphon, Spirit Vortex (20pts)
Ravager (115pts)
Aerial Assault, Night Vision
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield (10pts)
Razorwing Fighter (185pts)
Aerial Assault, Deep Strike, Night Vision, Supersonic
Dark Lances (x2), Flickerfield (10pts), Necrotoxin Missile (5pts), Necrotoxin Missile (5pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Splinter Cannon (10pts)

This is a list on plan on using against nids next week.

why do you have 5 trueborn with both blaster and a splinter cannon ?

and that haemo is just wasted points

Use them for hunting MC so end up with 3 splinter cannons and 4 blasters should be enough to take down something I hope. Think I'll replace haemonculous and wrecks don't really want a fist fight with nids

okay i took the liberty of modifying your list, btw those wracks needed a raider
the tb squad was way expensive and the haemo too,
those points got you 5 scourges with 2 HB for more anti tank.
stock missiles for the razorwing is also just cheaper

+++HQ (65pts)
Haemonculus (65pts)
Hexrifle (15pts)

+++Elites (156pts)

3 Kabalite Trueborn (156pts)
3x Blaster (45pts)
Venom (75pts)
Flickerfield, Nightshield (10pts), Splinter Cannon (10pts)

+++Troops (595pts)

5 Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)

5 Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)

10 Kabalite Warriors (180pts)
Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Raider (80pts)
Nightshield (10pts), Splinter Racks (10pts)

10 Wracks (Troops) (195pts)
2x Liquifier Gun (20pts)
Acothyst (25pts)
Venom Blade (5pts)
Raider (60pts)

+++Fast Attack (292pts)

6 Reaver Jetbikes (162pts)
2x Blaster (30pts)

5 Scourges (130pts)
2x Haywire Blaster (20pts)

+++Heavy Support (390pts)

Cronos Parasite Engine (110pts)
Spirit Probe (10pts), Spirit Vortex (20pts)

Ravager (115pts)
Nightshield (10pts)

Razorwing Fighter (165pts)
Flickerfield (10pts)Splinter Cannon (10pts)

the wracks unit needs some attention since its the only cc unit you have, thus not syncing up with the rest of the army

I do have about 30 Wyches but use them mostly against guard and marines

vs nids (1455pts)

1500pt Dark Eldar 6th Ed (2010) Roster (Primary Detachment)

Dark Eldar 6th Ed (2010) (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ (150pts)

Duke Sliscus the Serpent (150pts)
Contraband, Fleet, Independent Character, Low Orbit Raid, Night Vision, Power from Pain, The Serpent's Venom
Blast Pistol, Combat Drugs, Ghostplate Armour, Plasma Grenades, Shadowfield, The Serpent's Bite (x2)
Elites (173pts)

Kabalite Trueborn (173pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
4x Trueborn (108pts)
4x Blaster (60pts)
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Troops (390pts)

Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
5x Kabalite Warrior (45pts)
5x Splinter Rifle
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Kabalite Warriors (110pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
5x Kabalite Warrior (45pts)
5x Splinter Rifle
Venom (65pts)
Flickerfield, Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Kabalite Warriors (170pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
9x Kabalite Warrior (81pts)
9x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with heavy weapon (19pts)
Splinter Cannon (10pts)
Raider (70pts)
Dark Lance, Flickerfield (10pts)
Fast Attack (442pts)

Reaver Jetbikes (172pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders
2x Cluster catrops (40pts), 6x Jetbikes (132pts)
Scourges (130pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
Ghostplate Armour, Plasma Grenades, 5x Scourge (110pts), 3x Shardcarbine, 2x Splinter Cannon (20pts)
Scourges (140pts)
Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain
2x Blaster (30pts), Ghostplate Armour, Plasma Grenades, 5x Scourge (110pts), 3x Shardcarbine
Heavy Support (300pts)

Ravager (115pts)
Aerial Assault, Night Vision
Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Dark Lance, Flickerfield (10pts)
Razorwing Fighter (185pts)
Aerial Assault, Deep Strike, Night Vision, Supersonic
Disintergrators (x2), Flickerfield (10pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Shatterfield Missile (5pts), Splinter Cannon (10pts)

This is my list to go against nids please feel free to criticise/improve