Help me build the list with these restrictions

Hi guys,

I need help with building a list within these restrictions: LBK

Its a 5 player team tournament, 1500 points and each codex can only be used once (primary and allied detachment count) and the army may only have 1 penalty point - see restrictions.

My other team players are bringing: Tau, Eldar, CSM, SM and I chose our beloved DE. (An army that no other team is bringing to the tournament - maybe as allies).

So far I have this in the army:

Vect (pricy - but worth it, deploying after my opponent and having the 4+ to steal is game breaking. It won me more victories that I can count even by forcing my opponent to deploy defensively or by giving me the steal)

4 x 5 Warriors + Blaster in Venoms with SC and nightshields

2 x Ravengers with nightshields

Now, that's already a penalty point (6 shields) so what do you recommend ?

I could remove the shields form the venoms (bringing the penalty points down to 0) and buy another warrior venom (5th venom - 1 penalty point).

Any ideas? How to continue from here.... Where does Vect go?

I had an idea of putting Vect in a Raider with sails and 4 Grotesques but that's 500 points in a paperboat... but the potential of being able to steal 1st turn and move 32-42" at the same time its more than I could ask for   

You could also always go with a Raider instead of a Venom if you're looking to avoid the penalty points. It's not like a Raider is a bad vehicle.

Second the Raider.
Jetfigher would also be helpful (anti-infantry and Dark Lances).

The Imperial Bastion may be useful because it's LOS blocking terrain that grants 3+ cover (protect Vect and other assets) and it can hide a scoring unit that can use the Heavy Bolters (Wracks would be ideal). You can also fake out your enemies because you place fortification before rolling for initial deployment. It may also be possible to strip Night Shields from certain vehicles that would hug the Bastion (probably Ravagers).

Also, I did not realize that Craftworld Eldar had Drop Pods. I ought to read the codex more thoroughly

I like the idea of raiders... but I still need to have less than 9 vehicles (penalty point). The Imperial Bastion is nice as well, but maybe better for a not so mobile force? I love the idea of Wracks camping the bastion though.

What do you think of this:

Vect

4 Incubii + Venom + SC (babysitting Vect)

5 x 5 Warriors + baster + venom + SC (1 penalty)

2 x Ravengers + shields

Thats 1248 points... Any ideas for the rest?

I was thinking a Talos with TL LG and 5 Scourges with blasters, or 9 bikes or 3 beastmasters with 15 hounds. Which one do you think will fit better?

Add the baron for a 3+ seize and trolling rights lol I can't see the link so don't know the restrictions but I'd take some bikes with caltrops and either lances or blasters I prefer lances cause they're slightly better but that me

You're taking the Bastion to be annoying and to help negate First Blood. You could also do some wacky things, like put Vect in the Bastion. He gets the Pain Token and enter's a Raider with Incubi or something.

Trust me, it works with a mobile force.

Darkeldar neeb wrote:

Add the baron for a 3+ seize and trolling rights lol I can't see the link so don't know the restrictions but I'd take some bikes with caltrops and either lances or blasters I prefer lances cause they're slightly better but that me

Baron doesn't help with a siezeroll but instead with the roll who goes first (FAQ). 4+ sieze is still impressive.

Bastion gives you 3+ cover from behind and helps alot if tournament has low LOS blocks on the board.

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You're taking the Bastion to be annoying and to help negate First Blood. You could also do some wacky things, like put Vect in the Bastion. He gets the Pain Token and enter's a Raider with Incubi or something.

True, I think I am going to try it.... Thanks a lot. What with the rest of the points? Should I have a gun on the bastion?

Completely off topic, but I'm wondering how you even fit 13 vehicles in a list without allies?

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Completely off topic, but I'm wondering how you even fit 13 vehicles in a list without allies?

With Pure DE at 1500? No. Seems like a tall order at or below 1500 for any army.

9 venoms with minimal wracks as troop 3 wrack units in elite 3ravagers and archon with court and venom and a homo 13 vehicles in 1500 all venoms have nightshields and extra cannon though you could drop 3 shields to give flicker to the ravagers

Darkeldar neeb wrote:

9 venoms with minimal wracks as troop 3 wrack units in elite 3ravagers  and archon with court and venom and a homo 13 vehicles in 1500 all venoms have nightshields and extra cannon though you could drop 3 shields to give flicker to the ravagers

I forgot the Court even existed. That specific configuration even legal though? Lord of the Covens states plainly that Wracks are troops not that they have the option to be troops. Trueborn or Blood Brides would also work if Wracks didn't.

I think they can be both but not 100% sure

I tried the Bastion and even though it worked ok, it just doesn't feels right... I don,t know. It was a game vs Eldar and the 3+ cover save did a lot good and even blocked some LOS vs his 3 Serpents.

The list I'm going to try next is:

Vect

4 Incubii (babysitting Vect) + Raider + TGL (good for Vect's orbs).

5 x 5 Warriors + baster + venom + SC (1 penalty)

2 x Ravengers + shields

5 scourges with blasters

Talos with LG

Then is to max out on blasters and Talos to babysit an objective. There are a lot of objectives in the selected 5 homemade missions. MISSIONS