Whatch out for Flamers

Just in case this rule passes you by, if a flame template weapon hits your open-topped transports D3 hits are caused to the occupants along with the regular damage to the vehicle. It's just like Flamers in overwatch.

The other day a vet squad had 4 flamers and they scortched my Kabalites in their Venoms...

I saw the rule. Its called ''There is No Escape!'' or something along those lines.

Slaanesh is giving us advice, don't listen guys.

But yeah this is horrible, a hellhound did the same thing to me, killed everyone in the raider.

EDIT: Less likely to happen now, since a HH can't explode a raider, but still. Mind out.

Slaanesh wrote:

if a flame template weapon hits your open-topped transports D3 hits are caused to the occupants along with the regular damage to the vehicle.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's actually a D6 hits not a D3.

thesaltedwound wrote:

EDIT: Less likely to happen now, since a HH can't explode a raider, but still. Mind out.

Why can't a hellhound explode a raider? Open-topped vehicles still give a +1 to the damage chart, so rolling a 6 still gets the 7 needed to explode.

@thesaltedwound: lol youre all starting to catch on!

@uber: holy crap thats right, its even worse than i remembered

2 Dreadknights w/ Heavy Incinerator and personal teleporters scare the living hell outta me, and one of my main opponents runs them.

There is no hiding from them. Best to be off the board really. I was going to suggest that we start outside our transport and spread apart to minimize the number of different units under the template but that's even worse; we are Fearless when embarked! Stay onboard people!!

Oh my word I haven't applied the open-topped rule in about the past 5 games I've played and nobody has brought it up, I feel so guilty.

My opponents have yet to catch on to this change and I certainly don't feel any urge to bring it to their attention! Not that I've been cheating at all. They simply haven't used any template weapons against my transports.

I had a squad of 5 Flamers of Tzeentch Deep Strike next to one of my Venoms a few weeks ago. Sufficed to say that the 4 Trueborn inside did not survive the 5d6 hits

Pro tip: bring a D10 to games. Unless you run absolutely no upgrades on the contents chances are you're going to have a character or special weapon in them somewhere, which plays merry hell with randomising the hits.

I have a friend who runs Mayhem Pack, having three dreadnoughts some of which have Heavy Flamers appearing next to you via Deep Strike is never a good sight!

I really dislike the idea of D6 hits instead of a randomized chance of hit per passanger (like... a +4 or +3 per guy to be hit).

3 trueborn in a venom get hit by a flamer = 6 wounds, they all die twice.   

I think it's just designed to represent the -amount- of flame etc. that gets into the vehicle. A better one might be "The embarked unit suffers d6 automatic hits, up to a maximum of X, where X is the number of models embarked on the transport"

Also, whilst it's on my mind, am I correct in thinking that you can shoot at a unit that you can't hurt? And if you can't, can you fire, say, a liquefier gun at a battlewagon being unable to hurt the target, but able to hurt the contents thanks to No Escape?

Panic_Puppet wrote:

Also, whilst it's on my mind, am I correct in thinking that you can shoot at a unit that you can't hurt? And if you can't, can you fire, say, a liquefier gun at a battlewagon being unable to hurt the target, but able to hurt the contents thanks to No Escape?

As far as I've seen you can use a template weapon on an open topped vehicle that you can't hurt simply to use the No Escape rule. The only thing about not shooting things you can't hurt isn't really a rule, just another "this is perhaps what happens that makes an abstract rule not as strange" where the guys who couldn't hurt something probably don't waste ammo (unless they're orks perhaps), and might be helping out someone else ect.

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Pro tip: bring a D10 to games. Unless you run absolutely no upgrades on the contents chances are you're going to have a character or special weapon in them somewhere, which plays merry hell with randomising the hits.

I feel like I'm being thick, but I don't understand this at all. Halp.

And yeah it seems you can shoot at anything as long as your shooting can have -some- effect.

thesaltedwound wrote:

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Pro tip: bring a D10 to games. Unless you run absolutely no upgrades on the contents chances are you're going to have a character or special weapon in them somewhere, which plays merry hell with randomising the hits.

I feel like I'm being thick, but I don't understand this at all. Halp.

And yeah it seems you can shoot at anything as long as your shooting can have -some- effect.

The d10 is used to help with random allocation of who dies inside the transport. Say your unit is 10 Warriors and 1 has a Blaster, you would nominate a number as the blaster, so say 1-9 are the warriors, 10 is the blaster and then roll the d10, allocating the wounds accordingly

Oh, word. I was being thick. Good idea!

And yeah it seems you can shoot at anything as long as your shooting can have -some- effect. [/quote]

So, you can't, for example, pop off the Heavy Stubber from an Imperial Knight at a target you can't possibly hurt, in order to make that target a viable assault target?
I've seen this done a few times, mainly on Miniwargaming.

I'm not aware of any rules that prevent you from shooting something you can't damage. Anyone got a rules quote to back it up?