Subject: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 15:41
Hello all!
I'm new to the Drukhari faction, but have done a pretty hefty amount of research into list building, battle reports, and tactics here on the forums.
I have created a 2k, consisting of Kabal, cult, incubi, and mandrakes...as well as an overview of my reasoning on taking certain units. Let me know your thoughts!
Raider [6 PL, 100pts]: Bladevanes, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Kabal
Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Bladevanes, Dark Lance, Kabal
Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Bladevanes, Dark Lance, Kabal
Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Bladevanes, Dark Lance, Kabal
The plan: both 10 man unit of kabals with the reapers hand in the backfield to screen out deep strike and sit on objects. Reapers have firing lanes open to them. One 5 man unit of lychees hangs in the middle back of the field to support the Kabalite Warriors in the event a deep strike gets through and pushes the point they are on.
Mandrakes forward deploy to take objectives and just mess with the enemy
everyone else is piled into raiders and aggressively moves up.
9 man of incubi, Draz, and archon all fit into one raider to buff one another.
My only though is if it would be worth swapping out Draz and the Kabalite Warriors for a hemonculous and wracks (real space raid suppose). I feel like the wracks would be able to hold a back field objective and if a unit were to deep strike and charge for a point they would be able to hold out longer on the point and not get wiped from a more elite unit coming. I feel like the Kabalite warriors would be too squishy.
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 16:35
Are you new to 9th edition, or are you already playing another faction and transitioning over to the spiky elves?
Is this supposed to be a semi-competitive fun list to play with your buddies over a few drinks, or is it meant to go to a Tournament?
If your new to playing 9th edition, I would highly recomend starting to play at lower point levels. DE are a difficult faction to play well, and its easier to learn when you have less moving parts.
If your already playing 9th edition 40k, and want to be semi-competitive, I think this list will work well.
If your already playing 9th edition 40k at a Tournament Level, this does need a few tweeks to bring it up to par with other Tournament Level AdMech/Thousand Sons/Sisters/Orks lists.
Let us know and and I am sure we would be willing to help more.
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 16:43
Question!!
Well, questions, to be honest...
No special or heavy weapons for the Kabalites? No Archonupgrade, so no Trueborn? 9 incubi in one squad? Why so much Wyches? Why Painbringer for the Hellions?
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 17:24
Thank you guys for the quick responses!
So I played 40k and Warhammer (back when they called it that) in 2002 to about 2012 right when 6th was rolling out. Im just getting back into 9th about 3/4 months ago, and have been playing pretty competitive with Death Guard. Was like riding a bike...but with some added bells and whistles haha
Im playing competitive with my buddy until the world opens back ups little more, but would want something tournament ready as well.
Im a big Wych fan and wanted to run a heavy Wych army with a backbone of shooting stuff. Which a quick edit to the list, I'm using stuff from book of rust so the Bloodbrides would have morvaines agoniser
I originally built it as x2 5 man incubi, I saw a competitive battle report where he took 9 in one squad. Its an odd number I know, but being able to get Draz and an archon in the same raider with the incubi seemed appealing.
I wanted to run the kabalites bare bone as they will be sitting on backfield objectives/screening deep strike.
The archon is mostly there to buff the incubi.
Trueborn are definitely a strong tool, 2 blaster and a dark lance in a raider is certainly a threat to be afraid of. But I figured taking 2 reapers (cause they look cool haha) but also they can sit in the back field, and cover the right and left flanks or even middle of the field if shifted correctly. Their ability to shoot in either beam or blast to deal with either horde or anti-vehicle/elite units is another plus for me With that though process I figured it would be harder to deal with 2 threats like that, than a single raider.
As far as pain bringer, T5 with2 wounds is pretty cool (as a DG player I got used to having that and very much appreciate its value). Either that or roll for the combat drugs.
Thanks again for the help!
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 19:07
The reason people bring Trueborn isnt just for the Lance and Blasters, its actually for the un-modifiable BS2+. Regular Warriors end up hitting on 4s vs a lot of META units, which makes them pretty bad IMO.
You need to bring a Master Archon though, and IMO the best way to run him is with Djin Blade+Blast Pistol+Hatred Eternal. This means you cant give Hatred Eternal to Draz.
Im sure you can do some searching thru the forum to see my opinion on what units are best in our codex.
Long story short, you need to have a plan to take out enemy Raiders, Skitarii blobs, Dark Angel Terminators, MEQs. Incubi do most of this. Take 3 units. Every Time. At least until they increase the point cost.
You also need to plan around scoring your Secondaries. Generally thats Herd The Prey/ ROD/ mission specific or opponent specific.
Wych cults certainly have those tools, but require a very crafty play style. You have basically no durability outside your Raiders (no, your Hellions will not survive dedicated attention even with T5), so you constantly need to be "traiding up". You leave your units hanging, and they will get wiped out by a few bolter squads.
If I could make one recommendation, it would be to take a look at Ravagers over those Reapers. Reapers were great last edition, but now the Dark Lance has moved to a Damage: 3+D3 system its much more reliable. Also significantly cheaper.
Lastly, plz take a look at Obsidian Rose for your Kabal. IMO Black Heart is better when running a RSR, and OR is better when running the Raiding Force.
Feel free to disregard any of my comments. I am a competitive player, who regularly plays up against VolCon Dreads, Voidraven Spam, Triple C'Tan, etc. What I need to stay afloat may not be required when playing your buddy in your garage
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 20:47
Well, its definetly a list, that I wouldnt play. It seems to me like something essential is missing. And on the other side, there is too much. When I should put in words: Somehow unbalanced.
But hey, I am just the average 'Beer&Pretzel-Player', so no competitive opinion from me.
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 22:15
Thanks for the input!
Ill tweak the list around.
The interesting thing though is that the reapers profile has been updated for 9th.
Its blast profile has -1 ap and the beam profile has been brought up to D3+3 damage.
What are your guys thoughts on an inbubi heavy list?
say 4-6 squads of 5 man incubi?
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Fri Sep 24 2021, 22:47
Whats the point in having so many? Sure, they are super strong when they attack, but a squad is lost as soon as a Marine just look scary in their direction. I think, you need more balance. Playing Drukhari in 9th is like trading chesspieces. Sure, you can play only Bishops and Queens, but without Pawns every lost unit hurts double.
Edit: I made a 2k list, that I think, is balanced. I just swiched the Kabal and Cult. It nicht give you a hunch of what I mean.
Scourges [120pts, 5 PL] . Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance . Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance . Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance . Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance . Solarite: Shardcarbine
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Mon Sep 27 2021, 12:19
eeey_yo_mikey wrote:
Its blast profile has -1 ap and the beam profile has been brought up to D3+3 damage.
What are your guys thoughts on an inbubi heavy list?
say 4-6 squads of 5 man incubi?
Ah, my mistake. Still, the Reaper getting D6 shots each turn (averaging at 3.5) isnt worth the massive cost increase over the Ravager with flat 3 shots. IDK about you, but I always roll a 1 or 2 on important dice like that
Keep in mind the "Rule Of 3". You cannot have more than 3 units of anything.
I do think Incubi are one of the best units in our codex (its actually one of the best units in the whole game), go nuts on them. Honestly 3x10 wouldent be a BAD idea, but would require the list to be built around them.
Good luck and let us know how it goes! Honestly, positioning is more important than list at your stage of the game, so dont get too caught up on "what is best". Play some games and make some mistakes. Thats the best way to learn.
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Mon Sep 27 2021, 17:38
I definitely appreciate all the help on this, and that's something I learned a lot of when first getting back into 9th, its of games with lots of mistakes haha
Incubi are tied as a favorite unit for me. I took what you were saying and came up with this. Take 3x10 incubi and Kabal list.
2 patrols, and depending on who im going against black heart or obsidian rose. My buddy always pops transhumance so to make that cost more would be nice for black heart. but here it is
Obsession: Kabal of the Black Heart: Thirst for Power
Obsession: Kabal of the Black Heart: Thirst for Power
Raiding Forces - CP Refund
+ Stratagems +
Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]: Additional Relics
swapped out to take the ravager, mandrakes forward deploy to do ROD or anything else, ravager and 2 raiders with 1x5 blaster kabals hang in the back field to screen out deep strike and all that
everyone else pushes up, one raider has 2x5 blaster kabalites. can offload them as needed to obsec a point
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Tue Sep 28 2021, 12:10
List looks good. The following is additonal advice once you get a few games with this list under your belt.
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Dont forget that Black Heart only gives the Incubi +1 Power From Pain when you are taking the Realspace Raider formation. Meaning you are taking the Wych Cult and Haemonculus Covens all in the same Battalion.
As it is right now, your Incubi dont benefit from your Kabal at all. Just the Archon reroll 1s to hit, and Draz's +1 to wound.
IMO Obsidian Rose is better than Black Heart due to the extra range on your Blasters and Lances. Getting the Blasters up to 24" has helped me many many times.
Wouldent be the worst idea to include a unit of Court of the Archon to act as a durable "anchor/anvil" unit. I see the main weakness of this list as its inability to "hold on" to an objective vs some of the medium/strong shooting armies
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Tue Sep 28 2021, 16:31
That was something I was considering as well, and I plan on going obsidian rose, but when I play against space marines a lot lately they always use transhumance each phase, hence taking black heart in certain circumstances to have them pay more.
I ended up changing the warlord trait to ancient evil and gave some grisley trophies to the raiders. that way it helps prevent my incubi from being interrupted when charging multiple of them.
that is a drawback I noticed as well, but perhaps using that 2x5 Kabalites in the raider to pop out and hold on to an objective as well wouldn't hurt
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Tue Sep 28 2021, 16:44
Do grizzly trophies work on Marines?
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Tue Sep 28 2021, 16:50
It does!
AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR Space Marines stand unafraid before the terrors of the galaxy. Each time a Combat Attrition test is taken for this unit, ignore any or all modifiers.
based off of this they don't ignore leadership stuff.
So even putting coven raiders (dark creed) their distillers of fear and grizzly trophies would be -3 leadership to make the incubi fight first even better
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Subject: Re: 2000pts List- New Drukhari Player Tue Sep 28 2021, 17:15
Good to know. Thanks.
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