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SOlyer Hellion
Posts : 89 Join date : 2013-03-23
| Subject: jinking vehicle and people on board Fri Oct 24 2014, 22:59 | |
| If i jink my raider, can the warriors still fire as normal or are they also forced to snapfire? | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Sat Oct 25 2014, 00:03 | |
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Lord Puberis Hellion
Posts : 89 Join date : 2013-09-14 Location : Sheffield uk
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Fri Nov 14 2014, 23:10 | |
| I'm sorry to re bring this up, but is there a rule book page reference for this as it's a contentious issue within our group! Thank you
Jk | |
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Count Adhemar Dark Lord of Granbretan
Posts : 7610 Join date : 2012-04-26 Location : London
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Fri Nov 14 2014, 23:26 | |
| It's hard to provide a reference for something that isn't there. You should ask your group to explain how they think the jink rule works on passengers when the rules don't say that it does? - Quote :
- Jink
When a unit with any models with the Jink special rule is selected as a target for a shooting attack, you may declare that it will Jink. The decision must be made before any To Hit rolls have been made. If the unit Jinks, all models in the unit with this special rule gain a 4+ cover save until the start of their next Movement phase, but they can only fire Snap Shots until the end of their next turn. The vehicle is the unit that is jinking, not the passengers. | |
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Thor665 Archon
Posts : 5546 Join date : 2011-06-10 Location : Venice, FL
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Sat Nov 15 2014, 00:22 | |
| There is also no rule indicating passengers and vehicle = 1 unit. There used to be, but now no longer does that rule exist.
Therefore they are two separate units. | |
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MyNameDidntFit Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 140 Join date : 2014-05-13
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Sat Nov 15 2014, 01:24 | |
| Even if they were one unit it is MODELS with the Jink rule that gain Cover and must fire Snap Shots. | |
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Squidmaster Klaivex
Posts : 2225 Join date : 2013-12-18 Location : Hampshire, England
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Sat Nov 15 2014, 12:57 | |
| If they do argue the point, throw this counter at them: "If they are one unit, and Jink does affect the passengers, do the passengers therefore benefit from a Flickerfield (against No Escape obviously)?" That's the one I used to clamp down on arguments, and it seemed to work. | |
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The_Burning_Eye Trueborn
Posts : 2501 Join date : 2012-01-16 Location : Rutland - UK
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Sat Nov 15 2014, 13:15 | |
| And also how are they worth more than 1 vp in purge missions if they're not separate units | |
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Bleaksoul Brethren Sybarite
Posts : 252 Join date : 2014-09-02 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Mon Nov 17 2014, 05:27 | |
| The only argument is the comma placement (I know a nitpick grammar thing). Getting rid of the part in between the 2 commas the sentence reads like so; If the unit Jinks they can only fire Snap Shots until the end of their next turn.
This implies that even if someone doesn't have the jink special rule in a squad that jinked they still have to snap fire and don't get the 4+ cover save.
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Dra'al Nacht Kabalite Warrior
Posts : 103 Join date : 2012-12-09 Location : Perth, Australia
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Mon Nov 17 2014, 06:13 | |
| - Bleaksoul Brethren wrote:
- The only argument is the comma placement (I know a nitpick grammar thing). Getting rid of the part in between the 2 commas the sentence reads like so;
If the unit Jinks they can only fire Snap Shots until the end of their next turn.
This implies that even if someone doesn't have the jink special rule in a squad that jinked they still have to snap fire and don't get the 4+ cover save.
Still not a valid argument however, regardless of how grammatically nitpicky you want to be. The vehicle and the embarked unit are still separate units. | |
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Bleaksoul Brethren Sybarite
Posts : 252 Join date : 2014-09-02 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: jinking vehicle and people on board Mon Nov 17 2014, 06:55 | |
| I agree just be prepared for that argument to be put up by the opposition. | |
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