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PostSubject: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 14 2014, 16:34


This came up last night and wondered what you all thought of it.

I knew I was facing a daemon summoning army and as such brought the helm of spite for my archon. During the game the helm of spite was within 12” of a large group of pink horrors however the furthest horrors were more than 12” away and my opponent said that he gets to nominate which horror manifests psychic powers as per the brotherhood of pyskers rule. He therefore decided to use a pink horror out of range of the helm of spite. After reading the rule I had to agree as it does clearly state nominate any model within the unit to manifest psychic powers.

I was wondering what your thoughts are on this and is this something that needs to be FAQed?

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PostSubject: Re: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 14 2014, 19:10

Yes this does make sense as it says in the rulebook that the controlling player of the unit can choose which model in the unit can manifest the psychic power. But I do think this should FAQ'd and clarified by GW.
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PostSubject: Re: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 15 2014, 10:08

Actually, it looks reasonably clear to me.


The power is not MANIFESTED from one model of his choice.

"When manifesting a psychic power, this UNIT measures rasnge and line of sight any one model in the unit."
You are measuring from one model yes, but it is still the UNIT who is manifesting the power. Thats the whole point of the Brotherhood rule.
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PostSubject: Re: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 15 2014, 22:38

Squidmaster I was going to use the full quote, to tell you you are wrong, but I did EVENTUALLY see your point……..

I'll bring it up, but it's one of those rules that could be better worded. I can quite easily see others rule it differntly but then it would be a RAI verses raw and it's one of those where I'd never be sure which interpritation is RAI, but I supose RAI is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

If others would like to see the full quote it's

“ When manifesting a psychic power, this unit measures range and line of sight from, and uses the characteristics profile (if required) of, any one model in the unit that has the brotherhood of psykers/sorcerers special rule (controlling player’s choice)”

I'd still be interested in other peoples thoughts on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 16 2014, 00:50

I'd have to agree with your opponent on this one.

"...of any one model in the unit.... (controlling player's choice)".
Really not that much room for interpretation imo...

Just remember that Line of Sight and Range has to be measured from this one model as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.    Helm of spite and brotherhood of psykers.  I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 16 2014, 07:24

But it references line of sight and range from that single model. Nowhere does it say that that single model is the caster, correct?
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