Eldar Triumvirate

My fears have also been allayed as it seems you can take relics from your own codex or the Ynnari list and can mix and match in a single detachment. So Mask of Secrets, Armour of Misery etc are still options and Freakshow just got much, much easier to run.

If that's true, I am beyond excited.

Count Adhemar wrote:

My fears have also been allayed as it seems you can take relics from your own codex or the Ynnari list and can mix and match in a single detachment. So Mask of Secrets, Armour of Misery etc are still options and Freakshow just got much, much easier to run.

Yup, this is certainly an upside, and will work with some of the tactics I was already employing. That doesn't take the edge off the fact that I just ordered 3 models for 75 USD that I'll probably rarely use.

Earlier someone mentioned the Yncarne is more expensive than a greater demon. Were the point costs listed somewhere? I didn't see them yet.

The characters don't seem amazing, but they look fun.

Someone said 275 2-3 pages back

Coven units cannot be used in a Ynnari detachment, but does anyone know if they will be battle brothers with a Ynnari force?

No one knows but it's likely. I joked that we could be come the apocalypse.

Mononcule wrote:

Coven units cannot be used in a Ynnari detachment, [...]

Is that official yet?
All i've read until now was that Haemonculi fluffwise don't like Ynnari.

Yes. detachment is up on Natfka. No covens units or formations are included in the detachment.

Link, please?

EDIT: Nevermind found it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/02/images-from-inside-fracture-of-biel-tan.html

Funny how because of that there are 8 formations from Eldar and 1 from the True Kin.
Better be battle brothers.
Or else...

Looking forward to the rules for the Black Guard units.

Welp, there is literally no reason for me to run a DE CAD if I can run a Ynnari one. They have access to everything I would run AND Eldar AND Harlequins. BIS syndrome cranked to 11 on this one.

That's simply un-true. The only reason to run a DE CAD: Furious charge Grotesques is still 100% true

No one brings Grotesques in a CAD. They bring them in a Grotesquerie because their PFP table is infinitely better and they get a boost on top of it. No one is going to bring a Succubus or an Archon if they can have a Farseer or an Autarch. No one is going to bring warrior boats if they can have scatbikes. Shadowseers are just an elites buy now. Wraithguard in Raiders is a thing again, and hey, bring a Wraithknight too because why not. Any Dark Eldar army you would want to run can be run better by bringing it as a Ynnari detachment with Haemonculus formations when you want them and subbing in Eldar units for anything you don't like. And you can even bring Eldar formations so you can run your Aspect Hosts and your Seer Councils because god forbid there be a drawback.

DE in a CAD do seem pretty dead, but the CAD is pretty dead anyway.

DE in an RSR detachment can still work, though.

I'm pretty satisfied.

ugh fine. my real point was that 1. Until we have the book in hand we don't know the full scope of options, and 2. The rules that you choose to use to instantiate your models on the table is irrelevant. The doomsaying around it is deeply unhelpful.

I don't think the book is going to have any surprise downsides for the army, but it's possible.

I agree though, there seems to be very little room for complaint here.

It should be noted that, by the looks of the book, it has been worded and formatted in such a way that it should be compatible with future releases of codices. Hopefully this is an indication that they have plans for a new codex release in the not to distant future.

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DE in a CAD do seem pretty dead, but the CAD is pretty dead anyway.

I get a lot of mileage out of it.

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1. Until we have the book in hand we don't know the full scope of options

That list seems pretty comprehensive.

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2. The rules that you choose to use to instantiate your models on the table is irrelevant. The doomsaying around it is deeply unhelpful.

You're right. This is, after all, a make believe game about tiny plastic space elfs. I, like anyone else, could run my models as Ynnari and say they're still Dark Eldar. Or as Corsairs, and then claim they're still Dark Eldar, a lot of people do this actually. I could alternatively run them with the rules of Slaaneshi Daemons and still say they're Dark Eldar, so long as my opponent is obliging. And if they were really obliging I could run them with the rules from the 5th edition codex. And if I didn't like the models, I could buy 3rd party ones or even make my own, or proxy in some Space Marines or bottlecaps or whatever I had lying around. The point is not what you call this or that formation or this or that model, it's about having fun with the game, with your friends, and with forging the narrative.

I'm not having fun if I have to choose between maintaining an army identity I've developed during countless hours of painting and grown fond of, or fielding an effective list.

Why do you have to choose, though? What 'army identity' do you feel like is being held at gunpoint here?

PFP specifically is something I base a lot of my strategy around, it's part of what I fell in love with when I started playing the army. When I run a Grotesquerie I'm playing to set them up for when Zealot kicks in. When I'm playing with a DE CAD I'm either holding back as FNP powers up then maneuvering into position for Furious Charge, or I'm surging forward with a gradually strengthening mass of units. Every turn my opponents keep a mental tally of what bonus my entire army just got, usually with a look of worry. It's Dark Eldar mental warfare at its finest. I also enjoy the fluff, the idea that the Dark Eldar are beholden to know one save their betters. They worship themselves and their own vanity. Putting them in the service of a god just seems wrong.

Okay. So the entire army identity is tied up in a single rule? (PFP?)

The theme of the army remains unchanged. (If anything, Craftworld Eldar should be complaining that they've been turned into us.) The new Empowered by Death (or whatever it's called) rule seems like it gives you the Dark Eldar that people on the forums have been saying they want for years now.

It encourages MSU armies, an aggressive playstyle, and rewards destruction of both friendly and enemy units (the former being an essential part of DE nature that up until now has been missing).

If anything, the Ynnari rules seem to fit our fluff better than the Codex rules do.