Eldar Triumvirate

Well if you think about the Dark Eldar they would be very important to a God of Death how they are. There isn't any reason to change them if the new god shields them from Slaanesh but their slow killing and deadly spectacles could be used to feed the new god. I doubt a god of death is limited to just Eldar deaths and the arena fights would provide lots of sustenance to a being like this.

Personally I hope the new god isn't turned malevolent for "grimdark" sake. Death is neutral by nature (death can be painful and used for "terrible" ends at times but bringing a quick death can can also be a release from suffering when there is no hope of recovery) and having it being both good and bad as in encouraging the Dark Eldar to continue their ways to feed it while being good in that it protects the souls of Eldar and breaks the chain that connects it the race to Slaanesh.

A chain is a chain no matter who it binds one to. That plus the believability of covens rejecting the notion as necromancy leads me to believe the dark eldar at large, or at least a sizable minority, want no part in the resurrection of ynnead.

I don't think that the haemonculi reject it because of it being necromancy - they're all about necromancy - they reject it because a) these upstarts are competing with their role - most of the haemonculi income is due to dark eldar fear of death - remove that, and the haemonculi aren't as important to dark eldar society any more, and b) these new guys look suspiciously like they are tainted by chaos.

The excitement for the shared formations confuses me. We already can bring CWE to our heart's content, the difficulty is in *not* bringing them and still standing a chance at winning. If using shared formations is the only way our units get better, then that only means bringing CWE in our lists becomes even more obligatory than before.

TeenageAngst wrote:

The excitement for the shared formations confuses me. We already can bring CWE to our heart's content, the difficulty is in *not* bringing them and still standing a chance at winning. If using shared formations is the only way our units get better, then that only means bringing CWE in our lists becomes even more obligatory than before.

I'm on the opposite side, though, and have been for awhile now. I WANT to bring DE, but with detachment limits and such, I often can't fit DE into my CWE lists and still accomplish what I need to accomplish. This sort of thing will allow me to dust off some models that have been sitting on the shelf for 2 years(hopefully).

I mean yeah this is great for CWE players who want even better rules AND an excuse to run Dark Eldar models. But for Dark Eldar players this cements needing to invest in another army in order to be playable. I have over 3000 points of CWE. They're painted to the 3 color bare minimum tournament level standard, half of them are Chinese, and I carry them in a plastic bucket, because seeing them on the table is like seeing the Pats in the Super Bowl.

TeenageAngst wrote:

I mean yeah this is great for CWE players who want even better rules AND an excuse to run Dark Eldar models. But for Dark Eldar players this cements needing to invest in another army in order to be playable. I have over 3000 points of CWE. They're painted to the 3 color bare minimum tournament level standard, half of them are Chinese, and I carry them in a plastic bucket, because seeing them on the table is like seeing the Pats in the Super Bowl.

I consider myself an Eldar player first and foremost, whether it's Craftworld, Dark, Harlequin or Corsair. I will be very happy to add Ynnari to that list as well. Don't remotely pretend you speak for any one but yourself on this matter.

I just hope there's a way to add in my Shadow Spectres, they are the Aspect of Death after all, but being Forgeworld I'm not holding my breath.

What part of my comment insinuated that all DE players were as salty about this as I am? I said it cements their need to invest in another army in order to be playable. That's objectively true, if you want to run Ynnead formations, you need more than just DE models. I have no doubt this faction will be well received and extremely powerful and will give people an excuse to buy Dark Eldar models they otherwise wouldn't have.

What part of what we know so far convinced you that that was "objectively true"? The two formations we've seen so far, or the fact that in the stream they explicitly said that players would be able to pledge their existing Eldar or dark Eldar army to Ynnead?

The two formations we've seen thus far of course.

TeenageAngst wrote:

I mean yeah this is great for CWE players who want even better rules AND an excuse to run Dark Eldar models. But for Dark Eldar players this cements needing to invest in another army in order to be playable. I have over 3000 points of CWE. They're painted to the 3 color bare minimum tournament level standard, half of them are Chinese, and I carry them in a plastic bucket, because seeing them on the table is like seeing the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Nothing at all cements the need to invest in another army. ZERO. The fact you treat your models like this is your problem and yours alone.

TeenageAngst wrote:

What part of my comment insinuated that all DE players were as salty about this as I am? I said it cements their need to invest in another army in order to be playable. That's objectively true, if you want to run Ynnead formations, you need more than just DE models. I have no doubt this faction will be well received and extremely powerful and will give people an excuse to buy Dark Eldar models they otherwise wouldn't have.

What part? See the above quote where you say that dark elder players need to buy another army. Its in no way objectively true - its subjectively true to you. That's it. You don't have to run the new formations - I expect there is a good percentage of players who wont because they don't want ot cross pollinate the DE forces. That's ok.

Never before have I seen a user name be so fitting...

Massaen wrote:

Nothing at all cements the need to invest in another army. ZERO. The fact you treat your models like this is your problem and yours alone.

What part? See the above quote where you say that dark elder players need to buy another army. Its in no way objectively true - its subjectively true to you. That's it. You don't have to run the new formations - I expect there is a good percentage of players who wont because they don't want ot cross pollinate the DE forces. That's ok.

Never before have I seen a user name be so fitting...

To. Be. Playable. Please tell me what rumors you have heard that buff the DE faction in this book that do not involve bringing formations that require units from another codex. I would accept with a happy heart anything that would let me run pure DE at a tournament and not have to worry about choking on my own teeth. From everything I've seen and heard though the answer is going to be the same as before; if you want to win, bring some CWE. It could be from new formations, it could be from a new faction, but everything is pointing towards buying another army to benefit from this book's release.

I just wanted to comment before this thread gets locked. That is all.

Our best book had harlies in it. You can absolutely be competitive with just harlies and Dark Eldar.

Harlies are further broken up into Light/Twilight/Darkness subfactions. The Darkness Harlequins are every bit as cruel as Dark Eldar, at least on the battlefield, and their unique Warlord traits reflect this.

I too, started playing 40k because I wanted my army to be more uniform than the stuff Heroscape was putting out at the time (which is what got me into table-top gaming). That and I wanted people to play with

As for the names Aeldari and Drukhari I like them both. We tend to use more Ks than Cs (Khaine, Klaive, Kheradruak, Karandaras, etc.) so Drukhari makes sense in that way, and unless there is an official pronunciation guide I'm pronouncing the first name Eel-dari as the 'ae' in Daemon and Aegis is pronounced 'ee', but that is just my interpretation. I like having the word Eel in our name because eels are slippery, elegant (in water anyway) and very dangerous - like us! Maybe Eels should be named after us instead of the other way around...

TeenageAngst wrote:

To. Be. Playable. Please tell me what rumors you have heard that buff the DE faction in this book that do not involve bringing formations that require units from another codex. I would accept with a happy heart anything that would let me run pure DE at a tournament and not have to worry about choking on my own teeth. From everything I've seen and heard though the answer is going to be the same as before; if you want to win, bring some CWE. It could be from new formations, it could be from a new faction, but everything is pointing towards buying another army to benefit from this book's release.

I find them perfectly playable at tourneys. If you don't well that's on you.

Are they much more difficult to run than most armies and have several terrible choices? Absolutely. Are they more driven by matchs ups than most armies - again absolutely. Do either of these things make them unplayable? Nope.

DE are the epitome of a spoiler army. They are very difficult to win an event with but will almost always spoil someone elses day and ruin their chances of winning the event. GSC fall into the same category.

You also need to understand that 40k has moved on from pure forces of the 5th and earlier editions. I get wanting to play pure factions - I do - but honestly, that's a mindset of the fluffy casual gamer. I do this when I play mates at a club or my place. Going to events - you set your expectations and goals and build a list accordingly. When you set the goal of winning, you should be accepting that allies are a natural part of that process for 7th ed and it needs to be factored in to what you can face and what you run.

They said everyone would be able to play this with existing armies?
That would be awesome!! I don't own and Craftworld cousins and I'm not willing to invest huge amounts of money right now

As far as we know you can play an Ynnari army comprised only of Dark Eldar units using a CAD or special detachment they may have. Doomsaying is kinda unjustified when we know so little yet.

Quote this hombre espanol.

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I'd like Dark/Craftworld Eldar Jetbike friends plus those Harlequin two man Jetbike-ish thingies with Haywire weapons.
Assault 3 or somesuch.

BizarreShowbiz wrote:

As far as we know you can play an Ynnari army comprised only of Dark Eldar units using a CAD or special detachment they may have. Doomsaying is kinda unjustified when we know so little yet.

See this sounds fine

I for one welcome our new soul-eating overlord may he/she reign eternally; and fck up Chaos

I'm really looking forward to this ... I started my dark eldar army with wyches in 5th and was sad to see what they became in seventh so im excited to be able to use all my wych squads again

Just to squash any Yriel rumours once and for all, the latest WD specifically says that the Visarch is a former Dire Avenger Exarch called Laarian who seems to have fallen in love with Yvraine and followed her to Commorragh, disguising himself as an Incubi (Shrine of the Scarlet Incubi - guess GW gave up on names!) and eventually killing the Klaivex and nicking his sword, which was actually a Cronesword called the Sword of Silent Screams.

Is the Shrine of the Scarlet Incubi's warcry 'It Does What It Says On The Tin!'?

Facepalm...

I think they did shout that once when charging into battle against the Chapter of Blue Space Marines. Or it might have been Hive Fleet Red and White.