8e - Drukhari

Yeah, I can't imagine Grots being left with Ld 3 and no way to use a nearby Haemonculus Ld for Moral. I can see Lhamaeans being mandatory for Courts to keep the Sslyth in line though.

You can't really compare 7th ed Dark Eldar to what little we know about 8th ed Dark Eldar. A completely new edition with a completely re-written/balanced army.

I don't see how this worries so many people. We literally have nothing to compare this to. I am not saying anyone particular on here. I have just seen the Internet cry a lot. Which is strange considering the lack in information

The Shredder wrote:

Painjunky wrote:

I found PfP invaluable for my warriors and my 18-24 reavers.  

I'd forgotten all about Reavers (shows how long it's been since I last played this game   ).

But yeah, FNP was a lot more useful with their T4 - especially on top of their 3+ Jink.

T4 3++ and FnP is pretty tough.
Fearless is excellent on reavers and furious charge is great too. Especially with the right drug roll.

I    reavers!

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IF WE REPEAT IT ENOUGH TIMES, MAYBE GW WILL LISTEN?

colinsherlow wrote:

You can't really compare 7th ed Dark Eldar to what little we know about 8th ed Dark Eldar. A completely new edition with a completely re-written/balanced army.

I don't see how this worries so many people. We literally have nothing to compare this to.

We had a brand new edition and a brand new codex in 7e and look what happened there! GW has displayed almost zero expertise in balancing armies previously so I'm not sure why anyone expects anything different this time. I sincerely HOPE that they have managed to do so this time round but my doubts remain.

Since they can manage the points cost post release and taking the "balance data" form tourines it can't get any worse now can it? And even now in a Non-extreme competetive matches DE is still good enought to win. Well, unless you have dick friends that don't know what friendly match is and brings 3^^^^4 drop pods for free.
In addition they've started to take in community feedback and they've probably got alot of connections with competent people whom are in 40k for it's competetiveness. I have no doubts that after some itterations with the points cost we'll end up with a game where the tactics is more important than what faction you bring to the table.

I hope they make Sslyth so bad that I never see them on the tabletop again. Snakes in leather jackets with machine guns is nothing more than a complete P take.

Heresy I say! I'm actually a massive fan of the sslyth and think they are better body guards than silly Lhamaens

Anarchistscourge wrote:

Heresy I say! I'm actually a massive fan of the sslyth and think they are better body guards than silly Lhamaens

If nothing else, Sslyth are a bit fleshier (so bullet/lasers are less likely to go straight through them and hit you anyway).

However, if we're looking for fleshy, the best bodyguards are clearly Grotesques.

Agree with that but always saw Grotesques as haemonculi bodyguards. It's prob what GW would do with our characters iin 8th too. Succubus boosts Wych cult, haemonculi for Grotesques and wracks and Archons for Kabalites

Not anymore. Now you'll probably need a court for real body guard.

Anarchistscourge wrote:

Agree with that but always saw Grotesques as haemonculi bodyguards.

Same.

Although, in terms of a bodyguard for an Archon, I always preferred Incubi (I liked both the visual similarity and also the fact that they were still Dark Eldar - unlike Sslyth).

CptMetal wrote:

Not anymore. Now you'll probably need a court for real body guard.

That, for me, would be really weird.

I mean, I could get behind Sslyth as bodyguards, but the rest of the court just wouldn't make sense to me. They seem much closer to advisers or specialists than bodyguards - especially compared to the aforementioned Incubi.

I know what you're talking about but in terms of the Archon becoming part of a squad so he can't be shot directly by snipers or stuff, you'll need the court I bet.

My dislike for Sslyth has nothing to do with their rules. I just find the whole idea of leather jacket machine gun snakes juvenile and for me they are at the top of the list of units that should never have been created.

I fear that rather than see them used less, we are likely to see them more often. Since finding out a character can't join a unit, I have heard there will be units out there that act like shields...if we have such a unit then it may end up up being Sslyth.

There have been times where GW have shown they were not quite sure which direction to take Dark Eldar and Sslyth are perfect examples of that.

CptMetal wrote:

I know what you're talking about but in terms of the Archon becoming part of a squad so he can't be shot directly by snipers or stuff, you'll need the court I bet.

Oh, I get what you mean.

I was just trying to say that I think the Court is a poor choice for such a role (thematically, at least).

I'm also curious about whether our other HQs have different options for bodyguards, as I'd expect Drazhar, Succubi and Haemoncuil to prefer Incubi, Bloodbrides and Wracks or Grotesques, respectively.

It would be really weird if Haemonculi were forced to rely not on their hulking creations for protection but on a Court of the Archon.

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

My dislike for Sslyth has nothing to do with their rules.  I just find the whole idea of leather jacket machine gun snakes juvenile and for me they are at the top of the list of units that should never have been created.

To be honest, I was never a fan of the Court in general. In fact, of all the creatures in it, Sslyth probably make the most sense to me. I don't like their design, but I can at least understand what role they're supposed to serve.

However, Lhamaeans don't seem to serve any meaningful function - they're too flimsy to be bodyguards and too weak in combat to be effective warriors or assassins (especially compared to Incubi). Same goes for Ur-ghuls, really. If anything, they look like something that should either be in a Haemonculi's collection or at the end of a Beastmaster's whip. And, whilst I can understand the concept of Medusae, I can't understand why an Archon would want them in his court. Why not send them out with his Kabalite squads?

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

My dislike for Sslyth has nothing to do with their rules. I just find the whole idea of leather jacket machine gun snakes juvenile and for me they are at the top of the list of units that should never have been created

I totally respect your opinion, even though i disagree with it.

In 40k we have a universe with wolves, 7.5 foot armoured men riding on the back of wolves, semi-clad women running into battle against afore mentioned men on wolves, medusae shooting deadly beams from their "eyes", mandrakes who have adapted to camouflage their skin to fit in.

I don't understand how a humanoid lizard-folk who have become mercenaries are any more juvenile (or less for that matter) than those.
They actually even fit in more within GW's other setting and they could quite possible be evolved from lizard-men in fantasy (seraphon in Aos). Which in themselves were rejects who were effectively flushed down the toilet and left to evolve by the old ones.

Anarchistscourge wrote:

In 40k we have a universe with wolves, 7.5 foot armoured men riding on the back of wolves, semi-clad women running into battle against afore mentioned men on wolves

To be fair, I've seen a great many people (not least SW players) who think that the above is incredibly stupid.

In fact, one of the main complaints I've heard about SWs is that they went from viking-eqsue SMs to Lupus Wolfy McWolfenson riding a giant wolf, wearing his wolf-plate armour and wolf-fang necklace (along with his standard wolf-pelt cloak), wearing a pair of wolf-claws and wielding The Wolfblood Sword of Wolfram Frostwolfenson III and the Wolf-head Storm-Frost Shield of Shark-Jumping.  

And if it's not that, then it's Jock Frosty Frostington Esq., riding in his Refrigerated Frost Barge wearing his Frost-forged armour of Ice and wielding his Frost-enhanced Frostsword of Unrivalled Coldness in one hand and his Hellfrost FreezeFrost Freeze-Ray gun of Frost in the other.

I know that 40k was never what you'd call subtle, but there are still limits on what you can get away with.

Anyone remember the flak GW got for this gem:

Spoiler:

The sad thing is, I think it actually looks better like this:

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I do agree that the Space "wolves" were soo much better when they were Space "vikings", i dont have to much issue with the fluff around their frost wepons (in game rules is a totally different matter).
Its the same with the Wulfen, i would of much rather GW had it that they came out and were just enraged, although there are a number of other chapters that have something similiar, namely Blood angels.

Santa's sleigh always did make me chuckle

In the last Emperor's decree, the terme "wolf" should be replaced with "Corgi". So, it's Space Corgis, riding giant corgi, wearing corgi-plated armour.

The Sslyth are just Naga, and Naga's are in EVERYTHING. So I understand them.

I like them and i think i might get some now.

And if i'm not mistaken they like the DE b.c they fight Slaanesh and the Sslyth hate Slaanesh and thats why they are willing to work more so with the DE.

From the little story i've read about them they completely make sense to be in a DE army.

From all the rumours i've heard, which include from GW staff, the majority of existing resin models (sslyth and grotesques included) will be remodelled in plastic, so i would hold off till back end of June when we should know for sure

Anarchistscourge wrote:

From all the rumours i've heard, which include from GW staff, the majority of existing resin models (sslyth and grotesques included) will be remodelled in plastic, so i would hold off till back end of June when we should know for sure

If Sslyth are equal to Tyranids Warriors or Venoms/Zoanthropes box set then i will be bying them for sure. (50$ for 3 with extra spur). Honestly they should be 50% for 5 :-/ but i don't see that happening.

I already have 24 conversion Grotesques (I used Ogres bodies/Legs/Arms and Talos bits/weapons)

amishprn86 wrote:

I already have 24 conversion Grotesques (I used Ogres bodies/Legs/Arms and Talos bits/weapons)

I would be very interested to see some pictures of these? I was looking at various kits to use when i did mine and was tempted by the ogres.
Any chance of some images?

Anarchistscourge wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

I already have 24 conversion Grotesques (I used Ogres bodies/Legs/Arms and Talos bits/weapons)

I would be very interested to see some pictures of these? I was looking at various kits to use when i did mine and was tempted by the ogres.
Any chance of some images?

Here is about 1/2 of them
https://imgur.com/OMzqfhO

Here is a Aberration
https://imgur.com/a8NO2Mf

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

My dislike for Sslyth has nothing to do with their rules.  I just find the whole idea of leather jacket machine gun snakes juvenile..

I find the whole idea of pushing little plastic men around on a tabletop and going, 'P-shew, p-shew! Krakakakapow!' a bit juvenile, but I've never let that stop me.