Tactical Tidbits - Skaris Book of Wisdom

Skari wrote:

Grots are not really any different then the INDEX... but they are more survuvable with the obsessions.

I do not have a copy of the book. I am not big enough yet for GW to take stock But I will be doing the content as soon as I can and in the best depth as I can.

Grots aren´t different? Didn´t they gain a wound and an ap even without considering the obsessions?

I do believe they went up 1pts while gaining a wound, not sure about the extra ap. Still not great, but I think with the extra wound and coven obsessions I'd consider using them now.

Skari wrote:

I do not have a copy of the book. I am not big enough yet for GW to take stock But I will be doing the content as soon as I can and in the best depth as I can.

Hopefully you will be one day soon Skari, love your battle reports and I'm very much looking forward to your first post-codex rep.

CptMetal wrote:

Skari wrote:

Grots are not really any different then the INDEX... but they are more survuvable with the obsessions.

I do not have a copy of the book. I am not big enough yet for GW to take stock But I will be doing the content as soon as I can and in the best depth as I can.

Grots aren´t different? Didn´t they gain a wound and an ap even without considering the obsessions?

Yes they gain +1 wound and an additional -1 ap, but are also 1pt more

Grots.get a lot! +1 wounds, +1 attack, additional -1 to rend to cleaves (-2 at total) and for....35 points all bought! They were 40 before, -5 points now.

Take 10 Grots, add Urien and a Webway Portal.......

Really, you sure they are -5pts? Haven't heard that anywhere else, but with those stats and pts cost they would certainly be worth considering. Course I'd have to convert a bunch up to do that since I wouldn't want to use that expensive mono-pose model.

Their weapon costs 6pts i thought? You should check that.

hekatrixxy wrote:

I think he was talking about the Haemonculus toughness buff. The answer would be no, the buff doesn't apply while he is inside the vehicle.

Never knew this. So you cannot take him in say, a Tantalus, to have it gain the +1T buff, he has to be on foot outside of it? Where does the rationale for this come from? Was it in a FAQ?

Characters has to be physically touching the board to give aura buffs.

The transport rules state that any unit embark in a transport is treat as not being on the table at all.

Skari make a new thread as this one was for the index

Does anyone have anything about Talos and Cronus? I heard there may be a powerfist option for them now?

There is a +2s -3ap -1 to hit weapon for the talos.

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Tactical Tidbit -

I have had about 10 games with the new Codex so far and this is what I have found -

I prefer dissies over lances.

Reaver jetbikes win games, but the trick is to keep them alive... +1 T and a Stimulant Surge card goes a long way to make this happen.

Reaver Jetbike fly by slash attack is fantatic!

Scourge with shredders are one of the most killy, damage dealing units we have! Like a venom, on steroids against infantry.

Grotesques are good again.



TALOS... no joke, TALOS are one of the BEST units in the book hands down and the chain flail upgrade is amazing.

I think Talos are amazing now. Talos with Prophets of the Flesh with Urien and a gauntlet gives you a Str 9 T 7 4++ with a fnp. I've destroyed a Decimator with one of these

Tactical Tidbit - Point for point the haywire blaster is one of the best weapons in the Dark Eldar arsenal.

Skari, can you into more detail on what makes you like the chain flail, and a talos for that matter, as they still seem tonsiffer from the same problems as in previous editions where they were more Killy than this one, yet they were too slow to keep up with our main force, and on paper that doesn't seem to have changed

Also, haywire, they seem reasonably equivalent on paper to other weapons except against invulnerable saves, but have a glaring hole in their abilities against armies without vehicles. How do you feel this balance works out to make them one of the best weapons point for point in our arsenal?

Lord Splata-

The talos with a chain flail gets 10 attacks, no ap.... but they hit on 3+ or (2+ turn 3) ... and they re roll wounds...

They are incredible at forcing armour saves! even against tougher targets... follows the mantra of making the opponent to roll dice.

I have found that the speed of the talos is no problem and they now fly, they are a counter charge and screen unit and work best against hordes of troops.

Haywire is not bad against tanks, however, I was surprised at how well they also do against infantry! at 24" they roll an average of 8-9 attacks, str 4 and -1 ap against infantry, so in a pinch they work at taking the last minis off a unit if there are no tanks arround they also make great use of cover gaining a 3+ armour saves (or 2+ with shadows tactical card).

Anyhow. This is all from actual play testing and not just theory hammer.

Holy hell you're right about shredder Scourges. I read your post and then I mathed and now I'm going to glue together Scourges with shredders.

I still can't believe it. I didn't even remember that Scourges could take shredders, even though I just built some and it's right there on the sprue. It's like after 20 years of shredders being terrible I just stopped seeing them altogether.

Seeing what?

He means the other special weapons. Whatever they are called.

I'm just annoyed that I cut most of my wossnames up to make more blasters and now the wossnames are actually decent I've hardly got any left!

Skari wrote:

I prefer dissies over lances.

Do you get your anti-vehicle elsewhere, or do you use Dissies as your anti-vehicle?

Skari wrote:

Reaver jetbikes win games, but the trick is to keep them alive... +1 T and a Stimulant Surge card goes a long way to make this happen.

Do you run your Reavers with Blasters?

Skari wrote:

TALOS... no joke, TALOS are one of the BEST units in the book hands down and the chain flail upgrade is amazing.

Which Coven do you use them with?

Also, do you run them on their own or with Haemonculi support?

Count Adhemar wrote:

I'm just annoyed that I cut most of my wossnames up to make more blasters and now the wossnames are actually decent I've hardly got any left!

Yeah..... i did same thing

amishprn86 wrote:

Count Adhemar wrote:

I'm just annoyed that I cut most of my wossnames up to make more blasters and now the wossnames are actually decent I've hardly got any left!

Yeah..... i did same thing

Same..

Me before Reserves FAQ: darn, this unit of dark Lance scourge is now just terrible blasters.

Me after: oh look, I have scourges that can show up turn 1 in a ruin! Yay!

Another fun scourge tactic: wait for your enemy to drop a powerful anti infantry weapon on them (which they will) and drop Hunt From the Shadows. I had an opponent commit a LR punisher to them and then they went up to 2+ armor and I lost one guy to the volley. It was great. That strat is an absolute gem on them and incubi.

3 Talos w/Stingerpod and DLique. Advance, Shoot and Fire&Fade on first turn. 8"+D6"+7"
Now with Fly they can even disengage and shoot 6D6 flamer shots+Singerpod shots. They're amazing!