TTT DE video

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 167 Join date : 2014-03-01

-1 pts for all troops?
massive pts drop everywhere?
multiples obsessions/stratagems/relics to customise our lists?

I want to charge with my T6 4w 4++ 6+++ grotesques... that reroll fnp of 1 (warlord trait), without overwatch (relic). Hmm I also saw somewhere a stratagem that heals them.

Incubi Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05

I think i'm going to stick with Cursed Blade, though.

3 WS2+ S5 D2 (hellions) and 3 WS2+ S5 D1 (wyches).

Finally wyches are starting to look a bit like murder machines.

Hellion Posts : 97 Join date : 2016-01-30

There's a 1CP Stratagem that can be used on any WC unit with fly that deals a mortal wound on a 6 or 5+ vs infantry.

So you take them in a morale immune blob and hunt for 5-6 mortal wound flybys. I can see that working in a casual game.

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

the_scotsman wrote:: There's a 1CP Stratagem that can be used on any WC unit with fly that deals a mortal wound on a 6 or 5+ vs infantry.

So you take them in a morale immune blob and hunt for 5-6 mortal wound flybys. I can see that working in a casual game.

AH ok, i didnt see that one, nice!

I feel hellions still have a place, maybe not for high end tournaments, but they are at least playable now.

Trueborn Posts : 2970 Join date : 2013-04-11

Cerve wrote:: Uhm...anyway, Archon's and Succubus move up to 8".

A Necron Destroyer Lord moves 10".

A Marine Captain with a Jump Pack moves 12".

An Autarch with wings moves 14".

Gee, I'm so glad I'm playing a fast army.

Cerve wrote:: I used them on foot
...
And I fielded my HQs on Raider.

Well I imagine you did, since those are the only choices we have. Neutral

Cerve wrote:: I DS an Haemi with Grots. I'll do it again.

I tried Sslyth blobs with Archons on feet, and they were awesome!

I would like to be able to field even one of my Winged HQ conversions. I can't and it's not awsome.

I'd like to be able to run an HQ with Scourges. I can't and it's not awsome.

I'd like to run a Succubus with Reavers. I can't and it's not awsome.

Cerve wrote:: This Codex got 98% of buffs, and are we here to complain that 2%?

When the 2% is what I care about most and what would make the book actually fun for me to play, yes.

Cerve wrote:: Even drop the army?!

Tell you what, show me a way to field an Archon with a movement speed of 12+" (not including Advance moves) and I'll play.

That shouldn't be hard, right? I mean, we're the fastest army in the game and 12" is what a mere marine captain can manage with his slowest mobility option (besides walking). Our HQs should be able to match that in their sleep, right?

Cerve wrote:: Don't be so upset, we have a lot of time to test and have fun with our dark kin

You're right - maybe if we test them enough, some faeries will descend to earth, wave their magic wands and grant us some mobility options for our HQs.

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 104 Join date : 2012-11-10

amishprn86 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:: There's a 1CP Stratagem that can be used on any WC unit with fly that deals a mortal wound on a 6 or 5+ vs infantry.

So you take them in a morale immune blob and hunt for 5-6 mortal wound flybys. I can see that working in a casual game.

AH ok, i didnt see that one, nice!

I feel hellions still have a place, maybe not for high end tournaments, but they are at least playable now.

If hellions had of been 12pts that would have been the sweet spot, however at 14pts they are still pretty good. there are some combos i can think of but it involves 1 squad of 20 which would be great in tourney play, it involves drugs and strat to take to str6 then charge, there might be other synergys. Though taking a full army of them outside causal play, i really just can't see it yet, but a big 20man squad will still see its uses.

Hellion Posts : 97 Join date : 2016-01-30

I don't see the point in strength stacking hellions. Feels like square peg round hole. You can get them to str7 sure but they're still AP0. Most T7 vehicles are still just gonna laugh at that with a 3+ save, and you totally waste their shooting. I don't know a good way to use their D2 but all the best uses I come up with are vs elite infantry.

Incubi Posts : 1844 Join date : 2017-07-05

Hellions can get 3 s5 d2 attacks with ws2+.
That's the bane of lychguards, nids warriors and the likes.
No ap hurts vs termites, though, but we still have cheaper dissies.

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Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

Mppqlmd wrote:: Hellions can get 3 s5 d2 attacks with ws2+.
That's the bane of lychguards, nids warriors and the likes.
No ap hurts vs termites, though, but we still have cheaper dissies.

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Yep, they have many key targets, and Primaris will be hurt by them, sure they are 3+, but 2D means each failed wound is a dead marine, if you have 41 attacks is 35 hits, 23 wound rolls, 8 dead Primaris marines.

I know that doesnt wound like a lot, but for 150pts (or something like that) you just killed 150pts of Marines, this isnt including the Stratagems or shooting.

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

For those of you who are still going on about how 'awesome' the codex is...

This isn't the army I want to play.

I got into DE for an elite, fast moving army that had near-infinite tricks up there sleeves. I got into them for the cool arcane wargear. I got into them for the immense level of customisation that let them each HQ be unique and badass. I got into them because they were the fastest army in the game by many miles.

I did not get into them for cheap troops, cookie cutter HQs, and to be 'moderately fast'. I did not get into them for HQ spam.

I give not one crap if this codex is good or not, because it is not the army I bought. Enjoy your hordes, I am out.

Trueborn Posts : 2970 Join date : 2013-04-11

FuelDrop wrote:: For those of you who are still going on about how 'awesome' the codex is...

This isn't the army I want to play.

I got into DE for an elite, fast moving army that had near-infinite tricks up there sleeves. I got into them for the cool arcane wargear. I got into them for the immense level of customisation that let them each HQ be unique and badass. I got into them because they were the fastest army in the game by many miles.

I did not get into them for cheap troops, cookie cutter HQs, and to be 'moderately fast'. I did not get into them for HQ spam.

I give not one crap if this codex is good or not, because it is not the army I bought. Enjoy your hordes, I am out.

This.

Also, kudos for putting it a lot more eloquently than I managed. Razz

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

When did you start playing DE? B.c for me in 5th with the release of the Venoms/Ravagers/Jets is when i got into it and i was still playing with 80+ models easily.

3 Haemonculus
5 troops + vehicle (26 models)
Baron + hellions (11 models)
Beast master + beasts (10)
Mandrakes (6 models, they came in 3's at the time)
Trueborns (6 models)
Scourges
Reavers (lots of these)
A flyer and Ravager

Looking at my new 8th codex list, its about the same models, so how is it any different? Other than 3 Haemonculus HQ and the Baron

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

I played some third,then 5th. My vintage warriors were my trueborn, my pewter wyches were my bloodbrides.

This army is Orks with better shooting. If I wanted to play Orks, you know which army I would have bought? ORKS!

This moderately fast dirt cheap horde is ash in my mouth.

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

FuelDrop wrote:: I played some third,then 5th. My vintage warriors were my trueborn, my pewter wyches were my bloodbrides.

This army is Orks with better shooting. If I wanted to play Orks, you know which army I would have bought? ORKS!

This moderately fast dirt cheap horde is ash in my mouth.

How are we anything like Orks?!?!? 6ppm for S/T 4 30 man blobs with very little shooting? yeah we are just like Orks.

If anything we are more closer to GSC.

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

Cheap models, crap saves, moderately fast, majority of the army is focused on melee. Which army am I talking about?

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 100 Join date : 2018-03-04

Dark Eldar are nothing like Orks.

Subject: Re: TTT DE video Sat Mar 31 2018, 13:45

I refuse to be negative to our codex, until I've tried it. Deciding not to like something due to a gut feeling, is bad decision making, in my opinion. Who knows, maybe you'll have fun if you try it.

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 104 Join date : 2012-11-10

to be honest i don't know how anyone would be disappointed with this army, sure we are not the fastest, but comparing to older editions is pretty fruitless, since in older editions we couldn't move full movement and shoot., who would want to go back to moving 6" in skimmers just to be able to shoot with the guys inside.
so we are not the fastest by what a couple of inches, but what other army has their whole army that can move at our speed and shoot with their whole army? that's how we are still the fastest.

Sybarite Posts : 465 Join date : 2016-01-25

For those thinking jetbikes hit like wet noodles:

multiple of 3 red grief bikes with talons advancing over infantry and using runover strat to deal mortal wounds, shoot with blasters/HL, charge for more MW and fight.

That's some badass noodle...

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

Logan Frost wrote:: For those thinking jetbikes hit like wet noodles:

multiple of 3 red grief bikes with talons advancing over infantry and using runover strat to deal mortal wounds, shoot with blasters/HL, charge for more MW and fight.

That's some badass noodle...

How many CP is the strat?

Sybarite Posts : 465 Join date : 2016-01-25

amishprn86 wrote:

Logan Frost wrote:: For those thinking jetbikes hit like wet noodles:

multiple of 3 red grief bikes with talons advancing over infantry and using runover strat to deal mortal wounds, shoot with blasters/HL, charge for more MW and fight.

That's some badass noodle...

How many CP is the strat?

1CP

Kabalite Warrior Posts : 136 Join date : 2017-12-09

FuelDrop wrote:: For those of you who are still going on about how 'awesome' the codex is...

This isn't the army I want to play.

I got into DE for an elite, fast moving army that had near-infinite tricks up there sleeves. I got into them for the cool arcane wargear. I got into them for the immense level of customisation that let them each HQ be unique and badass. I got into them because they were the fastest army in the game by many miles.

I did not get into them for cheap troops, cookie cutter HQs, and to be 'moderately fast'. I did not get into them for HQ spam.

I give not one crap if this codex is good or not, because it is not the army I bought. Enjoy your hordes, I am out.

That's not fault of GW. This is what a mayority part of the DE player was desiring.

When I registered in this forum, I was really surprise how the majority of the users just want cheap units to could use more transport, and how them complained about the expensive HQ, like if they prefer use a tax HQ of 10 points again instead a 190 points melee HQ like the 5th edition archon.

I, like you, prefer thousand times the 5th edition codex instead this new one. Not because i think that tis ultimate codex will be a crappy codex, is just that this is no the army i wanted when a start the army.

I can understand your furstration and your desition. In 2,5 edtions we lost a huge amount of units and options and changes completly the playstyle. If i not do the same as you is because I like the backgound and the minis a lot and I have another huge space marine army that, compared with DE, is a true elite army.

I think that you are looking for will be more represented on the new harlequins codex instead the DE codex. They probably have usurpased our places in WH40k. If i could back to the past knowing the actual situacion, they sould be my choice instead of DE.

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

Wait,,, i didnt see anything about Red Grief? I missed it!

Hekatrix Posts : 1392 Join date : 2015-06-21

...Nope, you're right. Orks have variety.

I am over this bullshit. Every time it's 'well what do you expect for x points?'
Simple. I want fluffy and good, costed appropriately. I did not get into DE for a quantity based army.

Archon Posts : 4436 Join date : 2014-10-04 Location : Ohio

Rodi Sikni wrote:

FuelDrop wrote:: For those of you who are still going on about how 'awesome' the codex is...

This isn't the army I want to play.

I got into DE for an elite, fast moving army that had near-infinite tricks up there sleeves. I got into them for the cool arcane wargear. I got into them for the immense level of customisation that let them each HQ be unique and badass. I got into them because they were the fastest army in the game by many miles.

I did not get into them for cheap troops, cookie cutter HQs, and to be 'moderately fast'. I did not get into them for HQ spam.

I give not one crap if this codex is good or not, because it is not the army I bought. Enjoy your hordes, I am out.

That's not fault of GW. This is what a mayority part of the DE player was desiring.

When I registered in this forum, I was really surprise how the majority of the users just want cheap units to could use more transport, and how them complained about the expensive HQ, like if they prefer use a tax HQ of 10 points again instead a 190 points melee HQ like the 5th edition archon.

I, like you, prefer thousand times the 5th edition codex instead this new one. Not because i think that tis ultimate codex will be a crappy codex, is just that this is no the army i wanted when a start the army.

I can understand your furstration and your desition. In 2,5 edtions we lost a huge amount of units and options and changes completly the playstyle. If i not do the same as you is because I like the backgound and the minis a lot and I have another huge space marine army that, compared with DE, is a true elite army.

I think that you are looking for will be more represented on the new harlequins codex instead the DE codex. They probably have usurpased our places in WH40k. If i could back to the past knowing the actual situacion, they sould be my choice instead of DE.

DE has always been cheap tho.... that was my point, all of 5th all the DE players i knew and mayself either had large amounts of kabals or Wyches, like 30-35 and then all Trueborn elites with lots of Reavers, Hellions, Beasts and a couple RWJF's

70+ models was normal, if we took 6 Patrols we will get about 80-90 models, thats not much more at all.

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