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even if we had 3 Hqs with 50 move and wings those two would still find something to cry about to justify their moaning all this time...
You want to get out (seriously what are you 5?), then man up and get out already and let the rest of us discuss our new options with piece instead of reading through your wall of bitching every two posts...

Man, I always loved codex salt, but now that its here for DE it's pretty nasty.

No need to name call, fellas. If Shredder and FuelDrop aren't happy they have every right to be: who are we to say how important these changes were to them? Codex feelings are entirely subjective. I encourage everyone to be level headed until we get some games under our belt.
No need to be jerks to each other.

It's better than we had before, there is always things to gripe about. +2 S archon with the dijin blade is pretty good along with the strategem to increase strength.

Any know what the stimm addict trait does yet?

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

amishprn86 wrote:

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

Lelith is really good, but you can also pretty readily replicate her on a budget: 9A succubus with an agonizer for 54 points is pretty good!

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

Lelith is really good, but you can also pretty readily replicate her on a budget: 9A succubus with an agonizer for 54 points is pretty good!

Yes, but she also is base 3++ and re-rolls against characters, its just a different unit for different purpose

Not to mention ap-4 opposed to ap-2, combined with her rerolls against characters she is definetly a better character hunter than any of our other characters. Only problem with her is you need to take a cult of strife detachment, and generally I'd say that's the worst of the wych cult obsessions.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

Any know what the stimm addict trait does yet?

The rumor I saw stated you pick 2 drugs at the start of each turn. Not sure if it's random or pick, or any other restrictions etc. Used to be couldn't pick the same drug twice in a row if memory serves

amishprn86 wrote:

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

Lelith is really good, but you can also pretty readily replicate her on a budget: 9A succubus with an agonizer for 54 points is pretty good!

Yes, but she also is base 3++ and re-rolls against characters, its just a different unit for different purpose

Oh absolutely, Lelith is a god. Love her! And if you're taking CoS, might as well go for it anyways!

Hey did anyone happen to pick up how much a Cronos and its loadout is now?

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

Lelith is really good, but you can also pretty readily replicate her on a budget: 9A succubus with an agonizer for 54 points is pretty good!

Yes, but she also is base 3++ and re-rolls against characters, its just a different unit for different purpose

Oh absolutely, Lelith is a god. Love her! And if you're taking CoS, might as well go for it anyways!

Hey did anyone happen to pick up how much a Cronos and its loadout is now?

All i know is its base is now 65pts quote from the video "He did not change just got cheaper"

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Not to mention ap-4 opposed to ap-2, combined with her rerolls against characters she is definetly a better character hunter than any of our other characters. Only problem with her is you need to take a cult of strife detachment, and generally I'd say that's the worst of the wych cult obsessions.

CoS is the best Wych cult if you're only taking 1 unit of wyches and a succubus.

The wyches benefit more from the +1 S drug and the (hyperstim injector? Whatever the stratagem is that doubles drug choice) than Cursed Blade does with +1 A.

Plus you get access to Lelith + Budget Lelith for taking out hordes.

Also, it should be noted that you're getting 9A ap-2 with the succubus compared to 6 Ap-4, 2 Ap0 attacks from Lelith. Generic lelith does take a relic, but is also 26 points cheaper. Not saying it's great, but it's a decent alternative.

amishprn86 wrote:

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

Faitherun wrote:

I, for one, am pleased with what I have seen in regards to the HQ damage potential. For the first time, in a long time, I think my HQ's will be feared again. This is reminding me of our original Archons. Combat Drug dispenser seems to have come back. High number of attacks. High WS. I think they will actually be something to be feared.

As to the mobility issue: It would be nice to have them on bikes, wings, boards etc, but I don't think it is necessary. I rarely find that the units I want to make it to CC can't do so by turn 2. They are not going to be slamming into the back field on their own, but that is ok. There are a lot of small details we still don't know. Can you take multiple different obsessions in another's transport? Great, 2x succubus, 2x archon, and Hamey will all jump in a raider with 5 blasterborn. DS that bad boy and cause some mayhem. Is that a competitive choice? Don't know yet.

I think part of the issue is a lot of people want fixes to problems - but overcoming those very problems is part of the fun of making an army. It's still too early to know if we have the appropriate tools to overcome what issues there are.

Lelith for sure will be my Wych HQ now, she is 80pts and her own new ability (like combat drugs)

Lelith is really good, but you can also pretty readily replicate her on a budget: 9A succubus with an agonizer for 54 points is pretty good!

Yes, but she also is base 3++ and re-rolls against characters, its just a different unit for different purpose

Oh absolutely, Lelith is a god. Love her! And if you're taking CoS, might as well go for it anyways!

Hey did anyone happen to pick up how much a Cronos and its loadout is now?

All i know is its base is now 65pts quote from the video "He did not change just got cheaper"

Yeah, I'm trying to catch whatever the loadout cost is. I think I saw that one of the flamers is 3 points but IDK.

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Not to mention ap-4 opposed to ap-2, combined with her rerolls against characters she is definetly a better character hunter than any of our other characters. Only problem with her is you need to take a cult of strife detachment, and generally I'd say that's the worst of the wych cult obsessions.

CoS is the best Wych cult if you're only taking 1 unit of wyches and a succubus.

The wyches benefit more from the +1 S drug and the (hyperstim injector? Whatever the stratagem is that doubles drug choice) than Cursed Blade does with +1 A.

Plus you get access to Lelith + Budget Lelith for taking out hordes.

Also, it should be noted that you're getting 9A ap-2 with the succubus compared to 6 Ap-4, 2 Ap0 attacks from Lelith. Generic lelith does take a relic, but is also 26 points cheaper. Not saying it's great, but it's a decent alternative.

Not sure that you can definitively say that. Yeah I definetly see the merits of a one wych CoS patrol lead by lilieath, but cult of strife would definetly still be very solid for a budget cult patrol with a cheap succubus and s4 wyches. Plus consider that the wyches will be better-with the +1 attack drug they will be 4 s4 attacks every round, while CoS wyches are 4 s4 attacks only in the first round of combat. Not saying CoS is bad for taking a single unit of wyches and lileath, just wouldn't all it the best option.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Bad-baden-baden wrote:

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Not to mention ap-4 opposed to ap-2, combined with her rerolls against characters she is definetly a better character hunter than any of our other characters. Only problem with her is you need to take a cult of strife detachment, and generally I'd say that's the worst of the wych cult obsessions.

CoS is the best Wych cult if you're only taking 1 unit of wyches and a succubus.

The wyches benefit more from the +1 S drug and the (hyperstim injector? Whatever the stratagem is that doubles drug choice) than Cursed Blade does with +1 A.

Plus you get access to Lelith + Budget Lelith for taking out hordes.

Also, it should be noted that you're getting 9A ap-2 with the succubus compared to 6 Ap-4, 2 Ap0 attacks from Lelith. Generic lelith does take a relic, but is also 26 points cheaper. Not saying it's great, but it's a decent alternative.

Not sure that you can definitively say that. Yeah I definetly see the merits of a one wych CoS patrol lead by lilieath, but cult of strife would definetly still be very solid for a budget cult patrol with a cheap succubus and s4 wyches. Plus consider that the wyches will be better-with the +1 attack drug they will  be 4 s4 attacks every round, while CoS wyches are 4 s4 attacks only in the first round of combat. Not saying CoS is bad for taking a single unit of wyches and lileath, just wouldn't all it the best option.

Yeah definitely fair - I think that CoS failings are somewhat made up by their HQ potentials and stratagem. Attacking again is great in some cases. Lelith is great for her points. Budget Lelith is not a bad investment either. You're managing something in the neighbourhood of 12 hits at ap-2, 4+ poison? And on turn 3 you're upping that to 15~? Definitely better than what the Hq's of the other can do (except suicide succubus, who definitely holds a place in my heart.)

Alezya wrote:

amishprn86 wrote:

When did you start playing DE? B.c for me in 5th with the release of the Venoms/Ravagers/Jets is when i got into it and i was still playing with  80+ models easily.

3rd.
Horrorfex/Terrorfex. Aaaaaw man I would give so much to get these two back

SERAFF wrote:

The Shredder wrote:

- Space Marines have faster HQs.
- Space Wolves have faster HQs.
- Dark Angels have faster HQs.
- Blood Angels have faster HQs.
- Chaos have faster HQs.
- Chaos Daemons have faster HQs.
- Thousand Sond have faster HQs.
- Death Guard have faster HQs.
- Necrons have faster HQs.
- Tau have faster HQs.
- Orks have faster HQs.

My HQ runs it's own private Tantalus with 32" movment.
(drops mic)

Mmmh Tau Coldstar Commander is the fastest HQ in the game. lol. How did we get there actually?

Need to see the codex with my own eyes and to make some list building to see if I will be really happy or not about the codex, but overall:

Generally speaking, both traits, obsessions, and stratagems fit really good with the Dark Eldar Drukhari spirit: Being a b****. Which is totally fine!

As we can take trueborn and blaster for Archon thanks to the chapter approved/faq, I am not really worried.
I am quite disappointed with the Talos though: I also thought it would have an increased Toughness. T6 (even T7 with haemy) is not that good. I had high hopes (like really high hopes) as I loved the Corpsethief Claw formation. We'll see. T6-7, 3+/5++/5+++ and reroll 1s with haemy can still be a thing... Specially if they can shoot at Character: Crucible of malediction shenanigan + shooting at character with Talos looks nice on paper.

Not having a "Baron Sathonyx" or a character on bike is annoying, but I played DE for quite some time, and we only had Baron Sathonyx for a very limited time... So...

Nah, the biggest disappointment is not having Vect. That sucks so bad.

Otherwise I am quite happy with I am reading so far. Still need to make some lists

I feel Vect will get his own release in about 6 months, players have been extremely vocal about it and GW knows this.

Yeah, I'm with Shredder. I'm getting out, but for another reason. I'm no veteran, as I got into Dark Eldar in 5th, but when I did it was because I wanted to play the fastest, hardest hitting and most fragile army. Dark Eldar weren't often mentioned in 40k discussion, they were sort of clouded in rumour, but everyone knew Dark Eldar was "40k on hard mode". I personally play covens because of the models and fluff, but I feel like DE no longer encompass any of those things. Maybe we never did, come to think of it, though it was always clear we were supposed to. We aren't the fastest. We aren't even that fast, and as Shredder points out, our HQ's are some of the slowest in the game. We don't actually hit as hard as I feel we should, and for that we also trade in our fragility; we aren't even a very fragile army. Right now, DE feel like any other army and we are just as pick-up-and-play. This genericism is really smothering any love I once had for this army. So, I'm getting out of 40k. I might still buy and paint some models, and it sure won't be from GW but from our friends in the east. I might still play some games, but it sure won't be with 8th edition rules or GW's rules but 5th edition and my homebrews.

Also, I think your complaints about Shredders complaints are retarded. When the codex was first teased, he said he wanted mobility options for our HQ's. When the first rules were spoiled, he said he wanted mobility options for our HQ's. Now, when the codex has leaked, he says he's getting out since there aren't any mobility options for our HQ's, and you're saying "How can you complain about this?", "This is the best Dark Eldar has ever been!", and "You'll always find something to to complain about!". You're not seeing the issue. Maybe this is the best Dark Eldar have ever been, and yes, there'll always be something that we will complain about. But we don't care about this. We don't want us to be better than 7th and the index, we want us to be different from 7th and the index. And we just aren't. I'm sure the codex is a vast improvement upon our index, and is filled with buffs, but we haven't got any of the changes we wanted.

Pain Engine wrote:

Yeah, I'm with Shredder. I'm getting out, but for another reason. I'm no veteran, as I got into Dark Eldar in 5th, but when I did it was because I wanted to play the fastest, hardest hitting and most fragile army. Dark Eldar weren't often mentioned in 40k discussion, they were sort of clouded in rumour, but everyone knew Dark Eldar was "40k on hard mode". I personally play covens because of the models and fluff, but I feel like DE no longer encompass any of those things. Maybe we never did, come to think of it, though it was always clear we were supposed to. We aren't the fastest. We aren't even that fast, and as Shredder points out, our HQ's are some of the slowest in the game. We don't actually hit as hard as I feel we should, and for that we also trade in our fragility; we aren't even a very fragile army. Right now, DE feel like any other army and we are just as pick-up-and-play. This genericism is really smothering any love I once had for this army. So, I'm getting out of 40k. I might still buy and paint some models, and it sure won't be from GW but from our friends in the east. I might still play some games, but it sure won't be with 8th edition rules or GW's rules but 5th edition and my homebrews.

Also, I think your complaints about Shredders complaints are retarded. When the codex was first teased, he said he wanted mobility options for our HQ's. When the first rules were spoiled, he said he wanted mobility options for our HQ's. Now, when the codex has leaked, he says he's getting out since there aren't any mobility options for our HQ's, and you're saying "How can you complain about this?", "This is the best Dark Eldar has ever been!", and "You'll always find something to to complain about!". You're not seeing the issue. Maybe this is the best Dark Eldar have ever been, and yes, there'll always be something that we will complain about. But we don't care about this. We don't want us to be good, we want us to be different. And we just aren't. I'm sure the codex is a vast improvement upon our index, and is filled with buffs, but we haven't got any of the changes we wanted.

I'm sorry to hear that, especially since I think Covens are in a decent spot with this Codex. I recommend that you give the codex a whirl and see how an all covens - or primarily covens - list does for you. Wracks with PoF are looking really, really nice to me.

Im not complaining about him actually complaining, i'm complaining about hypocritical comment like some you just said.

"I like fast and Fragile, I play Coven".. umm? what?


There are a couple legit concerns, but dropping an army and game you like b.c of something minor that DE only had for a very short time (like 3rd HQ with bike or 5th Baron) i mean comeon, DE for most its life has been about Vehicles, Kabals and Wyches mix with Merchs.


It sucks that you guys are this heated about the army you love and it is making you quit, it really does suck and i'm sorry to hear but.

So good luck and hope you'll came back one day.

Pain Engine wrote:

. We aren't the fastest. We aren't even that fast, and as Shredder points out, our HQ's are some of the slowest in the game.

Sure our characters are slow, but with the kabal of the flayed skull our slowest movement value on our vehicles is 17"...plus reavers are now 18" base. I'm not sure what army is faster than that, so I'd hardly say we "aren't even that fast". Also I get the disappointment but I'd say wait and see, we don't even have the codex in hand yet, can't really say it's a bad codex until you get down to some list building and play testing.

amishprn86 wrote:

Im not complaining about him actually complaining, i'm complaining about hypocritical comment like some you just said.

"I like fast and Fragile, I play Coven".. umm? what?


There are a couple legit concerns, but dropping an army and game you like b.c of something minor that DE only had for a very short time (like 3rd HQ with bike or 5th Baron) i mean comeon, DE for most its life has been about Vehicles, Kabals and Wyches mix with Merchs.


It sucks that you guys are this heated about the army you love and it is making you quit, it really does suck and i'm sorry to hear but.

So good luck and hope you'll came back one day.

I'm not sure you read my post properly. I said that I got into Dark Eldar because they were said to be the fastest, the hardest hitting, the most fragile, the most hardcore. I eventually got into covens, but it wasn't why I started Dark Eldar, and covens are in contrast to DE as a whole. Covens don't encompass those traits, but they weren't meant to, unlike the rest of DE, who don't encompass those traits but were meant to. And I'm not dropping the army for something minor. HQ's aren't my primary concern, they're Shredders. I am personally fine with sticking my HQ's in vehicles with an elite unit (something I no longer can do, ha), in part because I never experienced having movement options for our HQ's. I am dropping the army because it isn't Dark Eldar, the indulgent and hedonist remnants of the once great Eldar Empire, anymore. Now it's Drukhari, Games Workshop army - type WH 40,000 model 22B.

amishprn86 wrote:

It sucks that you guys are this heated about the army you love and it is making you quit, it really does suck and i'm sorry to hear but.

So good luck and hope you'll came back one day.

Thank you.

I'm confused what marine characters have a base move of 8" without their jump packs etc.

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

I'm confused what marine characters have a base move of 8" without their jump packs etc.

Where was it stated that they did?

Crazy_Ivan wrote:

I'm confused what marine characters have a base move of 8" without their jump packs etc.

Marines are Base 6 even captains.

So how are our HQ's slower? You have to compare Apples with Apples in my opinion.