Coven/Cult army

After reading the codex and searching tons and tons of images of DE minis i've become a Coven and Cult addict. I just love the idea behind the melee and i think that both of Covens and Cults can do well taken alone. So can be viable a Coven+Cults+Some Mercenaries list Like a tide of wracks and grotesques with bikers zapping around them with some scourges exploding tanks?

I actually think that they would make a very nice 1-2 Combo. Fast moving Wyches tearing up enemy lines while a wall of flesh marches behind to punch the survivors.

Something to note though.
-Cults and Covens are notoriously weak in anti-tank. You should consider perhaps making an Air Wing of Razorwing Jetfighters and three Scourge Flocks to ensure you'll have enough.

Reavers to tie up the enemy and Taloi to deliver a punch are looking really good.

I think that the 2 Razors with cannons, the 10 scourges, the 2 raiders withscannons and the blasters on bikers can do well, but i'm a relative new player so i may be wrong. In a 2000 pts match 8 lances, 6 cannons and 4 blasters are enough or i should add something?

For the reavers-taloi combo i thought to use the reavers to "buy" time while the tide of flesh is advancing

Pistacchior wrote:

I think that the 2 Razors with cannons, the 10 scourges, the 2 raiders withscannons and the blasters on bikers can do well, but i'm a relative new player so i may be wrong. In a 2000 pts match 8 lances, 6 cannons and 4 blasters are enough or i should add something?

For the reavers-taloi combo i thought to use the reavers to "buy" time while the tide of flesh is advancing

It depend but it will not be enough against an tank heavy army. But you could had blast pistol to the whyches, it helps

I saw someone mention using fire and fade as a way to sprint your talos up. put them in as one unit, move 8" fire at full BS and 'fire and fade' another 7" forward, keeping them up with the gunline

RedRegicide wrote:

I saw someone mention using fire and fade as a way to sprint your talos up. put them in as one unit, move 8" fire at full BS and 'fire and fade' another 7" forward, keeping them up with the gunline

Yep. The only thing to watch out for is that you don't outpace your haemonculus.

Woozl wrote:

RedRegicide wrote:

I saw someone mention using fire and fade as a way to sprint your talos up. put them in as one unit, move 8" fire at full BS and 'fire and fade' another 7" forward, keeping them up with the gunline

Yep. The only thing to watch out for is that you don't outpace your haemonculus.

That depends on the enemy weapon load out, going from T6 to T7 is probably the weakest of the toughness boosts. But it is something to keep in mind

For the mobility? Transport for all or footslogging the coven?

Pistacchior wrote:

For the mobility? Transport for all or footslogging the coven?

This is being Debated currently in many places.

for Grotesques IMO you dont put them in Raiders, make them turn 2 big hitters, Wracks sure Raiders/Venoms are fine.

My Coven list is all walking, tho its 10 Grots, 30 Wracks, 3 Talos, with 9 Reavers, 15 Wyches and 3 Flyers all pressing forwards right away.

amishprn86 wrote:

Pistacchior wrote:

For the mobility? Transport for all or footslogging the coven?

This is being Debated currently in many places.

for Grotesques IMO you dont put them in Raiders, make them turn 2 big hitters, Wracks sure Raiders/Venoms are fine.

My Coven list is all walking, tho its 10 Grots, 30 Wracks, 3 Talos, with 9 Reavers, 15 Wyches and 3 Flyers all pressing forwards right away.

This is basically my list minus the wyches and with scourges

Have you had any luck with this? I'd be worried that even advancing every turn, grots/wracks and talos will struggle to get there for turn 2ish. 14+2d6=21. If your wyches have already arrived and shot down the screen, they probably aren't close enough? I'd been thinking about basically this same thing as well though.... Similarly I'd be worried it makes targetting priority very easy for your opponent. Shoot the fragile reavers and wyches and then maneuver around the slow walkign wracks?

I'd be very excited to try exactly this sort of list. But I do have those concerns about its functionality as stated.

Also, has anybody had luck with large blocks of grots running up? Can they get there to do anything in time? What about WWPing them?

Ok so i just had the worst set up for a full 1500pt Coven army (well 1400pts of Coven).

Against Primaris Armies that was full 100% Gunline, re-rolls all hit/wounds with Hammer and Anvil (Long ways) Deployment. And i won!

My list was 2 detachments, 1 Battalion of Flesh, 1 Patrol of Dark Creed, everything was flesh but 3 units

Urien
Haemonculus: Whip, Relic no-overwatch (Dark Creed)
Haemonculus - Scissorhands - Rifle
4 units of Wracks, (EleWhip/Ossefactor, 1 unit did have 1 ossefactor and it was Dark Creed)
2 Grots units, 1x6 and 1x7
1x3 Talos, HWB, x2 Macro-Scalpels
Scourge with HWBs
Reaper (Dark Creed)



TINY BATREP
Turn 1 went to me b.c i had less drops and i won the roll off, I deployed all on the front line, move+advance, but shot the Talos and Fire/Fade (he had a Walker), didnt DS anything yet.

Spent CP to sniper a Character with Reaper, had to use CP to re-roll the Lance D6, but still manager to kill of 1 of the Re-roll aura Characters.

He shot EVERYTHING at 2 units, Talos and Grots he killed a couple Grots and put 6 wounds on 1 Talos.

Then my Turn 2, DS Scourge (only did a couple wounds), Shot a large Plasma unit with insane plasma guns killing 3 of them, I charged with 3 Talos, 10 Grots, killed a couple units of Marines and wounded that primaris walker down to 4 wounds left.

At this point the game is pretty much over, it took 2 more turns to table him, he couldnt get away and do enough damage.


Over all, we both were heavily surprised how survivable Coven really are, BUT... if i went 2nd? I think it would have been a very close game and i wouldnt have table him.

Amishprn, the vexator mask (no overwatch relic) is prophets of flesh only so couldn't be put on the dark creed haemonculus

Mikoneo wrote:

Amishprn, the vexator mask  (no overwatch relic) is prophets of flesh only so couldn't be put on the dark creed haemonculus

Then i got it mixed up, its fine either way, i had 2 Haemonculus and i can just swap the gear and call it the other.

But that Mask came in handy for sure.

Coven is damn hard right now (if Prophets), nice game mate! I dont think that things should changed even if second.

@amishprn86 How useful did you find the Vexator Mask?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

@amishprn86 How useful did you find the Vexator Mask?

Against his army it was insanely good b.c he had lots of Plasma, grenades, lots of shots, that got re-rolls of everything, in another game with him a couple weeks ago, he had some overwatches get 7-8 hits average.

The 5man units i dont care about, even with re-rolls thats 2 hits on average, the Primaris Dread with flamer, and the other guns can hit 10+, the big guys with 6 shots each in units of 4-5 can get 8 hits easily, the 10 plasma man unit 20 shots of plasma with re-rills is bad for me.


I knew he was a heavy gunline guy, against Tau and Guard it would be even better.